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Post by Gary on Aug 15, 2020 0:01:50 GMT -6
Brother paulwatchmandawson does a great job breaking down just how clear Scripture is regarding who the land of Israel belongs to and what this peace deal could ultimately lead to.
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Post by BrazenLaver on Aug 17, 2020 9:02:15 GMT -6
Isaiah 21:2 A grievous vision is declared unto me; the treacherous dealer dealeth treacherously, and the spoiler spoileth. Go up, O Elam: besiege, O Media; all the sighing thereof have I made to cease.
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 26, 2020 15:08:18 GMT -6
Gary , Hello my brother, Please don't hear this to mean i'm arguing or challenging you at all. I really like the work of Paul Watchman Dawson and he's a friend. We've corresponded multiple times, but I haven't had time to watch the whole 1 hr video by Paul Watchman Dawson. I have searched and asked other watchmen, and so far, i can't find anything in the Abraham Accords, that definitively divides Israel. I've only started looking so i'm not saying it doesn't.. Really more asking. ;-) The previous - "Deal of the Century" created by Jared Kushner and Jason Greenblat ?? did in fact divide Israel and Jerusalem specifically, and it even has a map of the land which is part of Samaria/ West Bank - set aside for the 'future state/nation of a mythical people. From all that I have read, the Abraham Accords, which now includes UAE, Bahrain, and Sudan, with other Arab countries coming on soon - only states that the Annexation would be delayed. [**In other words - the Annexation that is talked about it not creating land for Jordanian Arabs, but rather the opposite - the Official declaration and legal ownership ceremony of Land which is already theirs - given to them by God in the everlasting covenant.] It's the center of the fake controversy that was created over the settlements in Samaria which is most often referred to by the UN & the Anti-Israel media as "Occupied Territories". They are pushing a false narrative that this land is "occupied by the evil Israeli's" just like the country of Poland was divided and occupied by Russia and Germany before and after WW II. This is the very reason that Yasar Arafat - himself Egyptian - created the entire concept of Palestinians out of whole cloth - he needed an imaginary victim, who would also have an imaginary claim to the land, because the Jordanians already have their own huge country next door. 95% of the so-called palestinians are Jordanian Arabs, with Jordanian passports and whose parents were born in Jordan. Is there a some official US or Israeli source that confirms that the Abraham Accord does indeed divide the land.? Recognizing Hobbits, Leprechauns and Palestinians or any mythical people seems assinine - but I see a big difference between saying "We recognize Hobbits as a nation state" and saying here's 1000 square miles of California to Officially establish as the Hobbit State. Whether the Abraham Accords is the fulfillment of the Ezekiel 38 war, or the Covenant with Many in Daniel or something else altogether - One thing that is certain - The Abraham Accords - is tearing about the Palestinian Hoax like 3 basketball sized holes in a submarine. The Arab nations are fed up with Jordanian Arabs holding them hostage, and defining the terms under which there can be peace. They can see offer after offer of land for peace come and go- and no matter how unbelievable it is, no matter how much land is offered - the answer is always the same, and it always will be the same. Disciple4life
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Post by mike on Oct 26, 2020 16:46:38 GMT -6
D4L - could I suggest something bro?
While on vacation my wife & I met several nice people and got the chance to talk to a guy who was a 30 year old "Palestinian" . It occurred to me this person has no idea he believes a lie about his heritage. This is all hes ever known. This is what happens when history gets erased, and of course worse yet removes God from their society.
So even though this is true and you and I know it, some, many, most (dunno?) of those who call themselves "Palestians" dont! Yassar Arafat was Egyptian...
Anyway pray for their blindness to be removed bro. Most of the people are deceived.
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 26, 2020 17:19:14 GMT -6
Yes, my brother, You are right. I do need to pray that people's eyes would be open. I always value your insight
I think a big part of what makes the deception so vile, is that so many Christians are part of perpetuating this fallacy, and it's made worse because it's not just a false narrative of a people which isn't real - but the fact that this very deception was intentionally created out of hatred for God's people.
Most people that believe this- it's more out of ignorance than hatred, but they haven't done any research. Then, we also see Christians who know - still perpetuating this same narrative, and even on Unsealed- mostly in the Shoutbox. ;-(
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Post by venge on Oct 27, 2020 7:11:26 GMT -6
If you live with a women for 15 years or all of your life...you have children etc but are never married...are you married? Does common law marriage actually exist? If I, being a Palestinian (hypothetical), grow up in the West Bank and my parents, friends, grand parents all say we are Palestinian...even if it is true my blood points to something else...I am still Palestinian because I identify with the land, its people and its culture. We talk about Jews today...are they actually Israel or Judah though they carry the name Israel. We talk about us...we are part of Israel spiritually. Identification is a product of where you were born regardless of what actually is at that moment. The Kurds exist and there is no Kurdistan. Yet does anyone here say there is no such thing as a Kurd? Or they are tribes from Syria and Iraq....they should go to those countries. Yet they exist because of what their families over time have believed followed by customs, culture, religion etc... The current people who call themselves Palestinians may not all actually be from from the current bloodline of the original people from the Bible that warred against Israel. But, they live in that land, they have their own culture, customs and such and they are willing to die for it. That is something. Human life must always be preserved and human life must always be loved and shown kindness. Even when the Jews occupied the land...they did not rid themselves of all the original peoples of the land....they dwelt among them. We can be kind to people who call themselves Palestinian without resorting to provocation. EDIT: BTW, I added that not to debunk mike, disciple4life, but to just explain how they may view themselves as I would. If they received Christ...could they still be considered Palestinian? Then our view of them changes doesnt it? They may not rebel...but their view of themselves stays the same.
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Post by mike on Oct 27, 2020 7:42:39 GMT -6
venge meeting someone who says they were/are Palestinian is what caused my eyes to be unblinded. This was a person who Christ died for. What he calls himself is mostly immaterial. He needs Jesus like the rest of us and that is what I saw and want to convey in this thread. After that it is for the Holy Spirit to show him
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Post by Gary on Oct 27, 2020 8:17:37 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Oct 27, 2020 9:17:00 GMT -6
Morocco, Oman, Djibouti, Qatar, And Saudi Arabia - joining soon!
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Post by venge on Oct 27, 2020 9:38:08 GMT -6
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Post by Natalie on Oct 27, 2020 19:33:55 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Oct 29, 2020 12:05:29 GMT -6
Judges 2:1 Now the angel of the LORD went up from Gilgal to Bochim. And he said, “I brought you up from Egypt and brought you into the land that I swore to give to your fathers. I said, ‘I will never break my covenant with you, 2 and you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall break down their altars.’ But you have not obeyed my voice. What is this you have done? 3 So now I say, I will not drive them out before you, but they shall become thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare to you.”
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Post by disciple4life on Nov 4, 2020 19:14:59 GMT -6
Gary , BrazenLaver , disciple4life , mike , venge , Natalie , Hello fellow watchmen, I've looked on Google, and I've also searched on duckduckgo, and still can't find any article or video that can confirm that the Abraham Accords does indeed divide Israel. I know that the Deal of the Century definitely had explicit language in the deal, which divided Israel, carving out land for the Jordanian Arabs, and even a map, which showed the so-called two state territories. But so far i can't find any evidence that these new countries normalizing ties with Israel - does in fact divide the land. I have found multiple sources that state that the Annexation of the West Bank would be delayed [officially proclaiming the land that God gave to Israel in an everlasting covenant- to be legally Isreal's land] The interesting thing is that the Jordanian Arabs for decades have hijacked the process and said that there would be no peace deals without the approval/backing of the Jordanian Arabs who have publically called for the total destruction of Israel and have walked away from incredible deals of Israel offering huge pieces of land in exchange for the promise of peace, to which the mythical people have repeatedly said no. The Arab countries in the region have finally seen through this charade and most of these countries are Sunni, - fierce enemies of Iran, who is Shia. They realize that if Biden is elected, he will drop the sanctions on Iran, and this puts Iran much closer to getting nukes. He's promised Muslims that he would put Muslims in every level of his administration - including the Supreme Court. Can anyone provide a link that proves or even states that the Abraham Accords divides Israel?? It's certainly a possibility that this is setting the stage for Ezekiel 9, and it could be the pre-cursor to the covenant with many, which would later be "strengthened or made better by the AC". I'm not saying that the Abraham Accords doesn't divide the land- I'm just trying to find any source that says it does. Disciple4life
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Post by mike on Nov 5, 2020 7:33:15 GMT -6
I cant really locate anything either disciple4life. Seems everything available at the moment is a one page doc, which certainly cant be the full extent of the agreement could it?
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Post by disciple4life on Nov 13, 2020 16:20:46 GMT -6
I cant really locate anything either disciple4life . Seems everything available at the moment is a one page doc, which certainly cant be the full extent of the agreement could it? Hello guys, gals. Gary, BrazenLaver, disciple4life, mike, venge, Natalie, Beloved, sog, @reepicheep, barbiosheepgirl, boraddict, joe, stormyknight, yardstick. This article is really really informative. Wow!!! It really could be a game-changer. www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=4405I'm not trying to argue here, - but the article raises two huge issues. One being the exact question I have raised here on a few different threads. [The Abraham Accords are not the same as the Deal of the Century. Do they divide God's Land? It seems that they do not] **Could be a pre-cursor to the Covenant that Daniel refers to, but maybe not. 1. While the Deal of the Century very clearly and unequivocally divided Israel, and also specifically Jerusalem [to form a so-called "two-state" solution and give Gods land to the Jordanian Arabs] the deal was never accepted by the Jordanian Arabs, who despise Trump, and thus the Deal of the Century never happened. The annexation was nothing more than an official legal ceremony of 'formally stating that the West Bank, Judea and Samaria is actually Israel. It makes a world-wide statement that their land is really theirs. It's so plainly obvious, that it becomes confusing. Like having a huge televised celebration to declare that Mars is officially a planet, and 4x4 actually is 16. The thing here, is that the annexation would further enrage the Arabs, and could incite more violence , like pouring diesel fuel on a fire. The people who are in the area are Jordanian Arabs who have no claim to the land, and thus created an entire false victim people propaganda out of whole cloth - the notion that they are poor oppressed people in 'enemy occupied territory' just like the actual truth of millions of Poles living in Russian Occupied Poland after WWII. The importance of this cannot be overstated, because although Trump pushed the plan, he was not the author - The authors of the Deal of the Century, were Jared Kushner and Jason Greenblat. Trump's support for Israel is an undisputed fact, but what is not clear, is how much Biblical eschatology does he really understand, and does he understand the terrible consequences of dividing God's land would bring on the US and the world. Almost certainly not - many mature Christians sure don't. As mike noted above, he also could not find any evidence to show that the normalization agreements - "The Abraham Accords" and venge said basically the same- it's boring trade agreements, travel agreements, countries mutually recognizing each others' passports, use of airspace, and the creation of Israeli embassies or consulate offices in countries which did not have them before. *** I'm not saying that the Abraham accords do not divide the land, but I did multiple searches, even using different search engines, and asked other watchmen, and nothing I found gave any credible evidence. This article supports that theory - that whatever the Abraham Accords are, they are categorically different from the Deal of the Century which was a Death Covenant. It goes on to say that this is precisely the thing that is infuriating the so-called Palestinians - for decades they have hijacked the entire dialogue, and declared that they are the sole gate-keepers and arbitrators of Peace in the region, and now, the Arab world has had enough, and does not even recognize the petulant antics of the child holding it's breath. It indicates that the Normalization agreements with Bahrain, UAE, Sudan, and other countries soon, possibly Morocco and Saudi Arabia, does not state any land as part of the conditions for the Abraham Accords - the adults have bypassed the children, and left them to hold their breath in protest - they simply closed the door to the playroom, and are having the conversation on the balcony. It may be the case that the Abraham Accords is the catalyst, or the beginning of what could later become the Covenant with Many, which the AC 'strengthens or makes better an existing covenant'. It's the belief of many well-esteemed scholars that this happens just prior to or after the rapture. 2. The other major point is even more significant, with major prophetic implications is that not only do Biden and Harris strongly support the enemies of Israel, and the two-state solution. They both have not shied away from this, nor have they tried to distance themselves, or walk it back. It's like a conservative supporting 2nd Ammendment - it's one of the core beliefs and they are proud of this. It's what they campaigned on -- but it's worse. Biden supports the 1967 borders, meaning that he does NOT recognize Judea and Samaria [West Bank] and the Golan Heights as Israel, and he wants to go back to this. -- This means saying the huge victory of the 6 Day war in 1967, which secured Jerusalem as the capital and where God led his people to take the land of the Golan Heights, Judea and Samaria - was a mistake. -- This takes us backwards and erases more than 50 years of Bible Prophecy fulfilled in our lifetime. Insert Huge Mind-blown icon here !
There is no question at all, that Biden and Harris' stated plans including dividing Israel, and not only dividing it, but re-writing - erasing Biblical prophecy.
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