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Post by neural on Mar 10, 2020 0:58:45 GMT -6
Forgive my coarseness, but DO NOT *EVER* take "judge not, lest ye be judged" out of context. To do so is in absolute and direct conflict with Grace and is works based teaching. Jesus Christ died for ALL. His blood covers ALL sins. That means every human being that lives, has lived, or will live between Adam and the return. It means every sin everyone has committed, is committing, and will commit. The *only* "unforgivable sin" is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and last I studied, that wasn't translated as "judging others". We are given instruction in the book of James and other scripture on how to handle brothers and sisters who are out of line, and as this is a somewhat private forum, the accusations leveled against Q and others are completely valid and thecrazychristian should not be chastised for bringing it to the attention of others. While it may seem to conflict with the first solution provided in James, were one is to confront the misguided individual privately, it is, for one, next to impossible for someone such as myself or another to gain a private meeting with the likes of some of these individuals, and two, we cannot assume that thecrazychristian hasn't already done such things before giving him/her the chance to state it as so, at which point the next step is where we stand. |
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 10, 2020 13:03:00 GMT -6
neural Romans Chapter 14 is my reply. The entire chapter. Every single word. (and the chapter isn't just about eating meat or being vegetarian... deeper context)
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Post by thecrazychristian on Mar 11, 2020 16:24:47 GMT -6
"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them." - Ephesians 5:11
"You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons." - 1 Corinthians 10:21
These are my replies. Continue to support a wolf in sheep's clothing if you like, I would encourage you to AT LEAST look into this person's beliefs and statemnets. It's all public info, if one is willing to put an ounce of effort into it, rather than accepting things at face value, or rather what you "want" to be true (i'm speaking from experience).
Apostasy... doctrines of demons... following what our itching ears want to hear...
Check, check & check
So many signs of the times
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Post by mike on Mar 11, 2020 20:18:32 GMT -6
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Post by neural on Mar 11, 2020 21:40:51 GMT -6
neural Romans Chapter 14 is my reply. The entire chapter. Every single word. (and the chapter isn't just about eating meat or being vegetarian... deeper context) I have read the chapter. I'm not ignoring your response. I reacted based on misreading your post, and you did point out Romans 14 along with it. I apologize for my over-reaction. As you may have guessed it is a hot topic for me. |
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 12, 2020 12:04:31 GMT -6
I have researched prayingmedic's historical background from his own website.
Basically he's an Assembly of God denomination/branch off. A church he speaks at calls themselves "neo-Pentecostal" [Full Gospel Business Men’s Fellowship International].
So, that's the same as my background (originally), but I've pretty much moved to a more of a Calvary Chapel (Dr. Chuck Missler,JD Farag, Dr. Ken Johnson, etc..) + Independent Fundamental Baptist (Dr Gene Kim, Robert Breaker).
I haven't entirely abandoned the things the A.o.G. denomination holds dear, but I disagree with how they practice their faith in many cases today because of my personal study in the Word.
I also fully understand the conflicts with all of the mentioned denominations with each other. Sooo, I heavily read the Scripture on my own and make up my own mind on many topics that conflict within these denominations.
I too have disagreements with:
1. all of the mentioned teachers
2. many of the things these folks here at UnSealed talk about
3. my own disagreements xD
So...from that, to flat out state that prayingmedic is a heretic and will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven is to condemn myself to the same fate. Do I agree with a lot of what he teaches? Not really. Does that mean he's gunna burn with the rest of the folks that follow him? I leave that to God.
It's quite clear that the Bible teaches grace through faith. Are we to deny their faith? Do we even have that ability?
"... Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." Romans 14:5
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Post by neural on Mar 12, 2020 21:49:43 GMT -6
uscgvet, coincidentally, I saw a sermon yesterday in which the pastor was explaining that just because someone is a believer (and is indeed saved), it does not automatically mean they are also of good intent and morals who would never do something to gain power/advantage/etc. In fact as the old term "backsliding" goes, it's possible for someone to go completely off the rails. I believe this was one of the reasons Paul said what he did at the beginning of Romans 6, because it would cross the mind of an individual that Grace would somehow abound if they deliberately sinned even more.
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 13, 2020 11:25:28 GMT -6
uscgvet , coincidentally, I saw a sermon yesterday in which the pastor was explaining that just because someone is a believer (and is indeed saved), it does not automatically mean they are also of good intent and morals who would never do something to gain power/advantage/etc. In fact as the old term "backsliding" goes, it's possible for someone to go completely off the rails. I believe this was one of the reasons Paul said what he did at the beginning of Romans 6, because it would cross the mind of an individual that Grace would somehow abound if they deliberately sinned even more. I'll 1-up you on this thought: we are all completely off the rails all the time. You're very thoughts condemn you. 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. In prayingmedic's case, he, and those who agree with him, are completely convinced in their own minds that they are following the (Trinitarian) Lord in their faith. (Romans 14:5) That's also the entire purpose of Romans Chapter 14. Now as for non-Trinitarian so called "Christians", absolutely, heretics! They bring a different doctrine of Jesus. But I don't see Q or PrayingMedic falling into that category of Jehovah's Witnesses, or Mormons or whatever. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 13:40:09 GMT -6
Praying Medic et al have a lot of the same eccentricities as the AOG churches I have experienced. I find ALL modern day prophets evoke skepticism in me, so I don't comb their commentaries to give approval. I don't consider them necessary because the Scriptures are sufficient.
I am glad the thread resumed restraint.
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