Could America Exist as a Nation during the Millennium?

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I think that nations do exist, but they could be very different than what we have now. There is scripture somewhere that talks of the nations coming to Jerusalem. I can't look it up at the moment. I'll try to do that later.

The gospel according to Bora!

1) The United States as a nation will be destroyed.

2) The US Constitution as a "holy standard" from God will be used by the new emerging governments throughout the earth.

3) Those governments will remain for one thousand years and as the population grows then new governments will form.

4) All governments will be accountable to Christ so that mankind can live in peace and harmony.

5) The governments will be "bottom-up" from the people and for the people.

6) Leadership within the governments will reside with the people in the representative format.

7) The representative will serve the people and will have no honor to his/her name but only serving Christ and the people.

8) The honor resides with God and those ascribed to a life service as the prophets.

9) These prophets do not participate in government but sacred service as outlined and directed by God in a type of theocracy.

10) The theocracy is "the place to be" in service of God only and it is by this authority that contact with other populated worlds is made.

As you can see, the gospel according to Bora includes for the next one thousand years governments for and by the people, but also holy prophets to act on behalf of Christ himself. Thus, the world population can climb into the hundreds of billions with mankind at peace and Christ in control of this beautiful earth.

My views:

1) Oh, sorry about that. The kingdom is a theocracy that is governed by the Savior via his prophets. 

2) Within the theocracy the people govern themselves via representative republics.

That is, the kingdom has two tiers of government the first of which is the direct representation of the Savior over the earth via the prophets, and the second is the self governing populations. Thus the things like roads, bridges, water systems, etc. are done via local governments and larger state governments. Whereas the overall guidance to the earth's populations are done via the prophets.

3) The representatives are elected by the people; and the prophets, not being killed by the populations, are chosen by God. Evidence pertaining to this system is given by the past history of man upon the earth. Man has had representative governments and God has had his prophets. There is additional evidence in scripture but I do not have time at present to do the research. I will include however that the 144,000, many of whom are from our era, appear to be the prophets that preside.

It seems reasonable that the representatives would not be glorified and I would add that the prophets would also be non-glorified. The reason that they are not killed is in contrast to those whom have been killed here upon the earth thus far. That is, while Satan is in charge then prophets are killed, and while Christ is in charge then prophets are not killed. Thus, if a murder was upon the earth at that time then prophets could be killed.

However, these prophets are not the typical kind that could be murdered. No, these are sealed to the Savior and if you see one of these then it is as if you have seen the Savior himself. It is similar to the idea that if you see the Savior then you have seen the Father. Likewise if you see one of these prophets then you have seen the Savior. It is for this reason that the entire world will see the Savior at his coming. Because, there will be some number represented by the 144,000 that represent the Savior just as Christ represents the Father. Thus, the whole world will see the 144,000 but only those who belong to Christ will have the honor of seeing him personally. Thus, if you see the Savior then you have seen the Father, and if you have seen the 144,000 then you have seen the Savior.

I would say that this is the area for you to focus upon. If you become sealed to the Savior then he will work through you just as the Father worked through Christ. It will be a great honor to serve in that capacity in the near future. I am convinced that those chosen are from the watchers. It is this group that presides over the earth for the next thousand years to not taste death until Satan is released again and put down at the end of that age.

It is the 144,000 whom are now to come forth and do a work for Christ. Then they do a work for Christ for 1,000 years. Then they do a work for Christ at the end. The goal of being one of the 144,000 is the greatest of all. Many of the great prophets of the past whom have not died will enjoy this great honor as well as those to yet be chosen.

matthew2423 ,

Please consider the following verses (Rev. 1:4-8, KJV) to wit:

I. The Salutation
    " ... Grace be unto you, and peace,
        1) from him (Lord Jesus) which is, and which was, and which is to come;
        2) and from the seven Spirits which are before his (Christ's) throne;"

II. Christ's Second Coming
    "And (meaning additionally) from Jesus Christ,
        1) who is the faithful witness,
        2) and the first begotten of the dead,
        3) and the prince of the kings of the earth."

III. The side-note salutation from the Seven Spirits unto Christ
    "Unto him (Christ)
        1) that loved us (the seven Spirits)
        2) and washed us from our sins in his own blood.
        3) and hath made us kings and priests unto God (Christ) and his Father;
    To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

IV. Continuation of Christ's Second Coming
    "Behold, he (Christ) cometh with clouds (Rev. 14:14)
        and every eye shall see him (with the clouds), they also which pierced him (when they persecuted the Christians, Rev. 13:7),
    and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen"

V. Christ's statement concerning his Second Coming
    "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."


Please notice in the chiasmus of the verses that item number III is the center and emphasis. Next, please notice that item numbers II and IV pertain to Christs second coming. Lastly, please notice the opening and the ending of the salutation item numbers I and V. So the chiasmus appears as follows:

I. Greetings from Christ
    II. Christ's Second Coming
        III. Glory and Dominion to Lord Jesus
    IV. Christ's Second Coming
V. Christ is the Almighty


As you can see from the salutation, the Book of Revelation is about Christ's Second Coming and he is the Almighty. Further, the links from this salutation pertain to Christ being seen when he comes. First of all he comes with the clouds that are his saints and more specifically his 144,000 (Rev. 14:1). Secondly this "cloud" is the "fouls" of Rev. 19:11-21 showing that it is an army. Thus, the ones who attacked the Christians in Chapter 13 as well as the world in general will see Christ after he is seen by the saints in Chapter 19. However, they who "pierced him" will see Christ via his army. The same holds true for the remainder of the earth's population that they will see Christ when they see his servants. So it is that if you have seen Christ then you have seen the Father, and likewise if you have seen one of these 144,000 then you have seen Christ. Thus, only the saints will see the Father via Christ, and all others will see Christ through his servants.

So it is to be sealed to Christ (Rev. 7:4-8) at the marriage supper of the Lamb (Rev. 19:5-10), that an army is fielded that is a "sharp sickle" in his hand (Rev. 14:14-19). Membership in this army is open to all whom choose to follow Christ that are called to serve. Thus you must wait upon the Lord for the call to serve and in the meantime live righteously to have shame removed (Rev. 16:15) via the blood of Christ (Rev. 1:5) washing us clean. 

The other day I was talking to a friend and she said "Isn't Iran Babylon." Which means, the fall of Babylon is the fall of Iran. It was an interesting thought; however, the beast burns Babylon (Rev. 17:16), and since Iran is in league with the beast, and will not be burned by the beast, then Iran is not Babylon.

1) I have always considered the Babylon in the Book of Revelation to be the Babylon of the Book of Ezekiel. Since Ezekiel supplanted metaphorical Egypt as used by the other prophets with Babylon, and Revelation followed Ezekiel's replacement of that metaphor; then Babylon in Revelation is Egypt as used by the other prophets. Thus, the land beyond the rivers of Ethiopia (Isa. 18:1) is the land of Egypt. Or better stated, the land beyond the rivers of Ethiopia is the land of Babylon; Babylon and Egypt being the same metaphorical land.

2) Then in Isa. 18:2 we have the missionaries; thus, Babylon as a land has sent missionaries.

3) Next, we have the Savior causing "an ensign on the" nations," and this means that the fall of Babylon is the ensign (Isa. 18:3).

4) Lastly, the Savior awaits the beast's destruction upon the earth in Isa. 18:4. Then for clarification this whole ordeal is expanded upon in Isa. 19. Thus, Isa. 19 explains some of the things that take place during the fall of Babylon.

Notice the metaphorical used of the word "city" in Rev. 17:18. The city is the woman and the woman is Babylon. However, more than that, John is at awe in admiration (Rev. 17:6) for Babylon. That is, she was a beautiful work and so much that all the merchants loved her (Rev. 18:11). Who is this great work to be admired by the world that the merchants sell their things too? The answer is quite obvious. Thus, it is prophesied that Babylon (metaphorical Egypt) will fall and the merchants will weep and mourn. So, how does she fall?

Rev. 18:21 tells us that a stone is cast into the sea. This stone is the beast of Rev. 13:1 that arises and then as the series of verses continue in chiasmus form, the linking parallel is "for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 

v. 18:21, stone is cast into the sea (Rev. 9:1) then arises (Rev. 13:1) and this is the beast of the Rev. 17:8 riddle
    v. 18:22
v. 18:23, by thy sorceries were all nations deceived (Rev. 13:14) and this is also referenced in the riddle as well as Rev. 13:3

The great deception is the nuclear weapons coming down from heaven (Rev. 13:13) and this is the fire of Rev. 17:16 that is also mentioned in Zechariah.

I would say that you should take about half of what I say with a grain of salt. I have been wrong so many times.

The word "fire" (Rev. 17:16) often represents something or someone causing a burning, and "smoke" (Rev. 9:2) also represents someone or something causing a burning. In these two instances the one causing the burning is the individual that ascends from the bottomless pit (Rev. 9:1, 17:8). Thus, Verse 9:2 (KJV) reads: "and there arose a smoke (the beast)" and Verse 17:16 reads: "and burn her with fire (the beast)." As you can see, both verses are referencing the one that arose from the bottomless pit, the beast that is metaphorically the smoke (v. 9:2) and the fire (v. 17:16).

The beast that is the smoke and the fire in the two above verses is the beast of Rev. 13:1. Additionally, that beast has a spokesperson that is the second beast (Rev. 13:11). This second beast is the deceiver as referenced in Rev. 13:14. It is he that uses the power of the first beast to make fire come down from heaven (Rev. 13:13). That is, these two are men do not have power as a god. In fact, the god they worship as in the time of Elijah could not burn the sacrifice. Therefore, neither they nor their god can cause fire to come down from heaven, but they do have missiles with nuclear war heads and that is what their god wants them to use. Thus, they "hurt the earth" with their fire from heaven.

Thus, Rev. 18:23-24 reads: "by their sorceries were all nations deceived" (KJV) and in her (Babylon) was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all that were slain upon the earth. As you can see, the slain upon the earth have resulted from the actions of the stone (Rev. 18:21) and that stone is the beast that is like the great millstone that is the beast. That is, the stone like the great millstone is the second beast that is like the first beast. Thus, Verse 18:21 harmonizes with not only Verse 17:8 but Verse 9:1 as well. That is, all three verses are about the beast and his false prophet; the second beast as noted in verses like Rev. 16:13, 19:20, 20:10, etc.

Thus, the actions of the beast are the actions of the second beast as well, and in some cases it is the second beast that uses the military power of the first beast to impose both of their will toward global domination. In fact, I have often felt that the second beast is in charge of the first via manipulation, and the first beast is simply his figurehead.

There is only one false prophet that can wield such power and we all know who that is.