The Enemy can't touch you!

bowman

going to take a different viewpoint/angle at what you are saying here. Although Venge points out the details of rule number one, I have always had difficulty following rules my entire life lol. Just ask my poor mother 😅

Permission to pick bowman brain please? At least for my part, it will be civil. Bowman no trolling, attitude, or accusations, k?

While I do not agree with the thousand year reign happening now, I would like to keep this more focused on the Satan bound topic.

In the Bible, the abyss is a place where there is separation and no freedom, hence bound with chains.

I believe the death of Christ on the cross atoned the entire world of sin and forever. He is the eternal gospel, truly good news, and his name means God is salvation and salvation is God.

On the cross Christ fulfilled the law we could not, the law that is referred to as being a death sentence because no one other than Christ could stick to it and that was the point. It is also mentioned in the NT that those who were basically ignorant of the law are not held liable to the law. We all are subject to experience death because of sin however. As in Adam all die, as in Christ all live. Pretty straightforward. I am on my phone and will reference verses later if needed or desired, because trying to do that on a phone is next to torture.

Since Satan tempts us to sin, but sin is forgiven this would in an essence render him powerless? Yes there is still sin in the world clearly and it seems to be getting worse and worse every day. You say it is his demons having this influence. I do believe in the influence of evil spirits and spiritual attacks. But in Revelation it says he accuses us night and day to God and we see what he is accusing us of very clearly in the book of Job. Do we seek God even after the worst of the worst happening to us? Or do we question Him to take what is broken and lost and fix it?

For clarifications sake, I do not believe in a hell of eternal torment or annihilation. I believe also as the book of Job shows at the end, that God restores his creation as he restored all that Job had lost. I also believe this is a type of example of what was lost due to sin and what was gained when sin was washed away. Why do I think this? To be frank, because we are all idiots lol. We had ONE rule in the beginning and we blew it, fully aware of the consequences. In all seriousness I do not see how God would knowing we would fail, give us the option to declare our eternal destiny. To me this is like telling a three year old to not cross the road and then turn around and stop paying attention figuring they got it right?

This is why I have stated previously that I do not believe Satan harbors or gains souls because all souls belong to God. I also believe when the Bible refers to ALL, that it really means all, not kinda all or sorta/maybe could be all if everything works out right.

So in an essence, since our sins have been forgiven, Satan is basically wasting his time? Along with his minions as well? Another way to look at this is to see that we are just as capable as evil ourselves without Satan hovering over our shoulders giving us the final push.

Now this begs the question, since sin has been as John the Baptist states have been taken away, are we just truly not understanding and realizing that? I mean having trust in that? Or are will still trying to ensure our salvation and then in worshipping ourselves and false idols (money, lust, pride, how we appear to others, religion, things of this world, drugs and alcohol, sports and on and on) still stuck? Usually the harder we try to do everything ourselves, it doesn’t exactly turn out the best (in my own experience anyways). We are told where sin abounds, grace abounds. Since there is still sin occurring, God continuously has grace towards us. As Mike pointed out above, there is nothing we can do to make him love us more.

NOTE: This is all thinking out loud and laying out my thoughts on what Bowman is saying. I am not stating this as fact or all of it has held beliefs. What I do believe is clarified. Also apologizing for any typos from doing this on my phone.

Bownan, I am pulling for you but you are so argumentative.

We can play that game all day long and it gets us nowhere. So if you want to use the Greek then I can use the LDS works. You may not believe the LDS stuff but someone does. It's like playing a chess game and castling after the king has been in Check. So what version of the scriptures do you want to go by and stick with that version. Because, if you choose any and every version then it is simply chaos. It was for that reason that Gary has recently hooked us up with a common version although I still have my KJV at my desk. Just so you might know, the LDS does not have Greek in their Lexicon since they have a living prophet. So why don't we just go by what he says. You say tomato and I say tomoto. Why do we need to do this? Let's just go with the format as outlined by Gary; a man of peace.

Further, I do not read Greek and I do not care to read Greek. As a matter of fact, I could care less what the Greek texts say. I can read English and that is what God gave me to read. If he wanted me to read Greek then he would have taught me to do so. Thus, the English script is enough and to each his own. However, Natalie had you in a fair correction and you pulled a sly and disrespectful move on her. Like she now has to go and check the Greek texts to prove your assertion. Wow! Not fair.

It's like we are on the boarder of the divide and looking into the abyss. It all looks so normal and natural in all directions. Yet, we in Christ know we are on the divide and death is before us; whereas, all others can not see it. However, Christ is with us and we are safe. The abyss hopes for it's own.

Help me out with a verse Bowman, and please do not pipe your Satan is bound hyperbole.

venge, cwood85, boraddict, Bowman is on a short Sabbatical