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Post by Natalie on Mar 24, 2018 19:32:32 GMT -6
There have been some posts in the shoutbox about the 10th of Nisan, which is March 26th. (27th on TorahCalendar) Daniel Matson has been posting on Facebook about it and has a new entry on his webpage. watchfortheday.org/nisan10.html I can't always follow Daniel's ratios and counts, but the graphic titled The Joshua Parallel is interesting. So, I've been trying to gather my thoughts on this also. Going to the Bible...Moses dies and the Israelites mourn him for 30 days (Deut 34:8). I heard somewhere, and I wish I remember where, that Moses could not have been the one to lead them into the Promised Land. They needed Joshua -- Hebrew being Yehoshua, Yeshua is the shortened form -- Joshua, the type and shadow of Jesus. Not only his name, but that he led them into their Promised Land. After the 30 days, Joshua asks them to prepare and be ready in three days to cross the Jordan. So, on the 4th day (see Joshua 3:2, 5) they cross into the Promised Land. This is the 10th of Nisan (Joshua 4:19). To present day ... Billy Graham, a modern day Moses (remembering what his daughter Anne said at his funeral) who led people out of the slavery of sin by giving them the Gospel, he died Feb 21. 30 days later on March 22, Charles Lazarus dies. (I suppose I could screen capture and insert, but here's the length to calculate the dates: www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=02&d1=21&y1=2018&m2=03&d2=22&y2=2018&ti=on) John 11:39 "...Martha, the sister of him who was dead, said to Him, 'Lord, by this time there is a stench, for he has been dead four days.' " 4 days from the death of Charles Lazarus is the 10th of Nisan. But I find these parallels very interesting. What if God picked up right where He left off, the season of Passover? |
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Post by barb84 on Mar 24, 2018 19:37:54 GMT -6
I like to read Daniel Matson also, but can't always follow it. Pi is beyond my understanding! But how exciting are these events?!
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Post by klb on Mar 24, 2018 19:58:27 GMT -6
@natalie
I was just talking to my husband about this exact thing - amazing, isn't it! Glad you posted it!
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Post by witness1 on Mar 25, 2018 4:53:34 GMT -6
Moses couldn’t enter the promised land because he struck the rock to have it bring forth water instead of merely speaking to it as the Lord commanded. A seemingly minor act of disobedience, yet he did not argue with God when his consequence of not entering the land was given. Some say it is because he hit the rock in anger and the Lord’s presence was in the rock at the time. Anyway... that’s why Moses didn’t enter the land but Joshua led them in. Moses accepted his consequence but asked God to raise up a new leader for the people in his place.
I just reread this story, and they did cross the Jordan on the 10th of Nissan. But then they camped in enemy territory for awhile and circled Jericho for 7 days before taking the city on the 7th day. God constantly reminded them to be brave and courageous because He was with them.
I think the Sunday of Passover (I can’t call it Easter anymore!) is a much better day to be anticipating, and I agree that Jesus will pick up where He left off! I’m feeling more sure of my theory that the Grand Pause of the Church Age began with the resurrection of Christ and ends with our resurrection.
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Post by fitz on Mar 25, 2018 5:15:54 GMT -6
Thanks for posting it. I've been crowing about Nisan 10 for a month or more, but almost everyone is looking past it to Passover. I am way more excited about Nisan 10. How can the Thief "break in" when everyone is hyper-focused on the obvious day, Passover? Why would anyone break into your house when the lights are on and the family is wide awake? Nisan 10 is sunset Monday, March 26 to sunset Tuesday, March 27. - Most "watchers" have skipped it and are looking at Passover or Easter...
- The type/shadow of crossing the Jordan into the Promised Land is a pretty amazing parallel...
- The majority of the Church is asleep, and I guarantee you they will be sleeping on Tuesday. It's a work day, a day like any other day...
- Charles Lazarus dies 4 days prior...
- Tuesday is Jewish wedding day.
But really, I just want Him to come for us. So it can be today (Palm Sunday), Tuesday, Friday, or Sunday...any of these is just fine with me! |
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Post by witness1 on Mar 25, 2018 7:45:53 GMT -6
I personally am praying for Sunday. My Jewish chiropractor is planning on coming to a Messianic Passover Seder at my house on Saturday, hosted by my Jewish friend I’ve been telling you about! My friend has recently been going to my chiropractor with the hope of sharing the Gospel with him, and they have really developed a relationship over the last couple of months! They are both in their late 60s and have similar personalities. I have been praying for this chiropractor for 3 years... I hope I have the opportunity to cook this meal for him and show him how Messiah fulfilled the feast! For whatever it’s worth, I feel like the Lord has perfectly orchestrated the timing of these relationships and my chiropractor basically invited himself to Passover because he wants to learn more about what we have been telling him. I feel like the Lord will allow us to have this special day on Saturday.
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Post by fitz on Mar 25, 2018 10:50:56 GMT -6
If it's this year, I'm thinking it has to be before Passover because Jesus says He will celebrate it again with us. I don't think we would go to heaven just after Passover and then wait a whole year before we can do that. IMHO
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Post by gkp on Mar 25, 2018 11:11:29 GMT -6
fitz I like the way you think! I have considered this angle too.
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Post by davewatchman on Mar 25, 2018 11:16:16 GMT -6
If it's this year, I'm thinking it has to be before Passover because Jesus says He will celebrate it again with us. I don't think we would go to heaven just after Passover and then wait a whole year before we can do that. IMHO "If any of the people now or in future generations are ceremonially unclean at Passover time because of touching a dead body, or if they are on a journey and cannot be present at the ceremony, they may still celebrate the Lord’s Passover. They must offer the Passover sacrifice one month later, at twilight on the fourteenth day of the second month. "For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey: "He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed. Pesach Sheni 2018 will begin in the evening of Saturday, April 28 and ends in the evening of Sunday, April 29 |
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Post by davewatchman on Mar 25, 2018 12:15:12 GMT -6
There have been some posts in the shoutbox about the 10th of Nisan, which is March 26th. (27th on TorahCalendar) Daniel Matson has been posting on Facebook about it and has a new entry on his webpage. watchfortheday.org/nisan10.html I can't always follow Daniel's ratios and counts, but the graphic titled The Joshua Parallel is interesting. So, I've been trying to gather my thoughts on this also. Going to the Bible...Moses dies and the Israelites mourn him for 30 days (Deut 34:8). I heard somewhere, and I wish I remember where, that Moses could not have been the one to lead them into the Promised Land. They needed Joshua -- Hebrew being Yehoshua, Yeshua is the shortened form -- Joshua, the type and shadow of Jesus. Not only his name, but that he led them into their Promised Land. After the 30 days, Joshua asks them to prepare and be ready in three days to cross the Jordan. So, on the 4th day (see Joshua 3:2, 5) they cross into the Promised Land. This is the 10th of Nisan (Joshua 4:19). To present day ... Billy Graham, a modern day Moses (remembering what his daughter Anne said at his funeral) who led people out of the slavery of sin by giving them the Gospel, he died Feb 21. 30 days later on March 22, Charles Lazarus dies. (I suppose I could screen capture and insert, but here's the length to calculate the dates: www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=02&d1=21&y1=2018&m2=03&d2=22&y2=2018&ti=on) John 11:39 "...Martha, the sister of him who was dead, said to Him, 'Lord, by this time there is a stench, for he has been dead four days.' " 4 days from the death of Charles Lazarus is the 10th of Nisan. But I find these parallels very interesting. What if God picked up right where He left off, the season of Passover? I never heard of the 10th of Nisan. But i think something is going to happen that will get us seeing all eye to eye. It might happen right before it all gets real, but we are not in darkness... The seven thunders are the wild card. John heard them clear enough to begin to write, but he was told not to write them down. He was told to seal them up. They must have said something that would only be of use for the people, specific people, that would be living in the end times. In John 12 some had said that they heard it thunder, but some had heard a voice. Was that five days before Passover? But not everyone heard the message. This is what i wonder might be the thing causing ALL of the saints to be praying in Revelation 8 just before fire falls from the sky: Something is causing ALL of the saints to be seeing eye to eye. What would cause all of God's people from around the world to be praying at once. What if they've just heard the first of seven thunders. A voice form Heaven that only the saints can hear saying maybe something like: "Fear not, for it is I", and His sheep will recognize His voice. But the rest of the crowd said that it had thundered. I doubt that we'd have very much time remaining, like if a person was in France taking pictures of the Eiffel tower, they might not have the time to fly back home before something happened. I think we are in an area where anything can happen at any time. So even though i have some serious questions about this 10th of Nisan article, we might be in an area where my little brother could get lucky by throwing a dart at a calendar on his way out to go fishing. I can't tell from the article how they can be so sure of the exact month that Suleiman the Magnificent made his decree in 1535. How can he tell: "With the first 69 weeks of years ending at Nisan 10". And a week is a week in the Jubilee system, it's seven real years, there's no way to fit "360- day years" in there. There's excellent evidence that this system of counting weeks began in the springtime of 1437 BC when God gave the instructions to Moses during the Exodus, and ended with 7 sets of 70 weeks in 1994. 3,430 years. There's just no way to fudge one full orbit of the Earth around our Sun. But i agree with: "it would seem natural for God to pick up where He left off". And: "This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven , will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven." It WOULD seem natural for Him to pick up from where He left off. From now until Passover. From Passover until the Second Passover. From the Second Passover until Pentecost. "Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. |
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Post by witness1 on Mar 25, 2018 14:19:58 GMT -6
If it's this year, I'm thinking it has to be before Passover because Jesus says He will celebrate it again with us. I don't think we would go to heaven just after Passover and then wait a whole year before we can do that. IMHO Keep in mind that Passover is an 8 day celebration, and my understanding from my friend is that it would be appropriate to celebrate it at any point within the 8 days, although it is traditional (and I think preferred) to celebrate it on the first 2 nights. But maybe we celebrate it here on Saturday and then in heaven on Sunday?!? Although I feel like it's possible we won't celebrate it again until Israel is with us at the end of the tribulation. Another thing I learned this morning and find amazing... the Jews set an extra place for Elijah every year. Every year, they say, "maybe this year he will come." At one point in the chag haggadah, you even open your front door and call for him to come. Wouldn't that be something if the rapture were to take place while people are getting to the point in the evening? |
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Post by witness1 on Mar 25, 2018 15:01:07 GMT -6
There have been some posts in the shoutbox about the 10th of Nisan, which is March 26th. (27th on TorahCalendar) Daniel Matson has been posting on Facebook about it and has a new entry on his webpage. watchfortheday.org/nisan10.html I can't always follow Daniel's ratios and counts, but the graphic titled The Joshua Parallel is interesting. So, I've been trying to gather my thoughts on this also. Going to the Bible...Moses dies and the Israelites mourn him for 30 days (Deut 34:8). I heard somewhere, and I wish I remember where, that Moses could not have been the one to lead them into the Promised Land. They needed Joshua -- Hebrew being Yehoshua, Yeshua is the shortened form -- Joshua, the type and shadow of Jesus. Not only his name, but that he led them into their Promised Land. After the 30 days, Joshua asks them to prepare and be ready in three days to cross the Jordan. So, on the 4th day (see Joshua 3:2, 5) they cross into the Promised Land. This is the 10th of Nisan (Joshua 4:19). To present day ... Billy Graham, a modern day Moses (remembering what his daughter Anne said at his funeral) who led people out of the slavery of sin by giving them the Gospel, he died Feb 21. 30 days later on March 22, Charles Lazarus dies. (I suppose I could screen capture and insert, but here's the length to calculate the dates: www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=02&d1=21&y1=2018&m2=03&d2=22&y2=2018&ti=on) John 11:39 "...Martha, the sister of him who was dead, said to Him, 'Lord, by this time there is a stench, for he has been dead four days.' " 4 days from the death of Charles Lazarus is the 10th of Nisan. But I find these parallels very interesting. What if God picked up right where He left off, the season of Passover? I never heard of the 10th of Nisan. But i think something is going to happen that will get us seeing all eye to eye. It might happen right before it all gets real, but we are not in darkness... The seven thunders are the wild card. John heard them clear enough to begin to write, but he was told not to write them down. He was told to seal them up. They must have said something that would only be of use for the people, specific people, that would be living in the end times.
In John 12 some had said that they heard it thunder, but some had heard a voice.
Was that five days before Passover? But not everyone heard the message. This is what i wonder might be the thing causing ALL of the saints to be praying in Revelation 8 just before fire falls from the sky: Something is causing ALL of the saints to be seeing eye to eye. What would cause all of God's people from around the world to be praying at once. What if they've just heard the first of seven thunders. A voice form Heaven that only the saints can hear saying maybe something like: "Fear not, for it is I", and His sheep will recognize His voice. But the rest of the crowd said that it had thundered. I doubt that we'd have very much time remaining, like if a person was in France taking pictures of the Eiffel tower, they might not have the time to fly back home before something happened. I think we are in an area where anything can happen at any time. So even though i have some serious questions about this 10th of Nisan article, we might be in an area where my little brother could get lucky by throwing a dart at a calendar on his way out to go fishing. I can't tell from the article how they can be so sure of the exact month that Suleiman the Magnificent made his decree in 1535. How can he tell: "With the first 69 weeks of years ending at Nisan 10". And a week is a week in the Jubilee system, it's seven real years, there's no way to fit "360- day years" in there. There's excellent evidence that this system of counting weeks began in the springtime of 1437 BC when God gave the instructions to Moses during the Exodus, and ended with 7 sets of 70 weeks in 1994. 3,430 years. There's just no way to fudge one full orbit of the Earth around our Sun. But i agree with: "it would seem natural for God to pick up where He left off". And: "This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven , will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven." It WOULD seem natural for Him to pick up from where He left off. From now until Passover. From Passover until the Second Passover. From the Second Passover until Pentecost. "Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. If the prayers of Revelation 8 are ours, I think they're prayers offered from heaven because I think we're in heaven long before the 7th seal. This is an amazing idea about the 7 thunders though. How awesome would that be?!? I've been wondering about those 7 thunders. Fascinating parallel with John 12!!! |
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 25, 2018 17:20:58 GMT -6
There have been some posts in the shoutbox about the 10th of Nisan, which is March 26th. (27th on TorahCalendar) Daniel Matson has been posting on Facebook about it and has a new entry on his webpage. watchfortheday.org/nisan10.html I can't always follow Daniel's ratios and counts, but the graphic titled The Joshua Parallel is interesting. So, I've been trying to gather my thoughts on this also. Going to the Bible...Moses dies and the Israelites mourn him for 30 days (Deut 34:8). I heard somewhere, and I wish I remember where, that Moses could not have been the one to lead them into the Promised Land. They needed Joshua -- Hebrew being Yehoshua, Yeshua is the shortened form -- Joshua, the type and shadow of Jesus. Not only his name, but that he led them into their Promised Land. After the 30 days, Joshua asks them to prepare and be ready in three days to cross the Jordan. So, on the 4th day (see Joshua 3:2, 5) they cross into the Promised Land. This is the 10th of Nisan (Joshua 4:19). To present day ... Billy Graham, a modern day Moses (remembering what his daughter Anne said at his funeral) who led people out of the slavery of sin by giving them the Gospel, he died Feb 21. 30 days later on March 22, Charles Lazarus dies. (I suppose I could screen capture and insert, but here's the length to calculate the dates: www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=02&d1=21&y1=2018&m2=03&d2=22&y2=2018&ti=on) John 11:39 "...Martha, the sister of him who was dead, said to Him, 'Lord, by this time there is a stench, for he has been dead four days.' " 4 days from the death of Charles Lazarus is the 10th of Nisan. But I find these parallels very interesting. What if God picked up right where He left off, the season of Passover? Great insight, Natalie, - I am very fascinated (understatement) with the 10th of Nisan. It was the day they crossed the Jordan, - but also, another interesting thing -- On this day, all the males who wondered in the desert were circumcised - they had not obeyed God's law, and could not enter the Promised land until they were circumcised. Wandered in the desert 40 years - 40 is the number of testing (but also often connected with judgement). ***Also, remember that there was a very strict law in the Exodus, that strangers and foreigners as well as slaves could celebrate the Passover , but only if they were circumcised. They were circumcised at Gilgal on the 10th of Nisan. and then they recovered. Then on Passover, the manna stopped, and they ate the fruit of Canaan. -- This just happens to be the same exact day that the Passover lamb was chosen/ presented. 10th of Nisan. Hmmmmm. -- This just happens to be the same exact day that the Jews will perform the "enactment of the Passover" in Jerusalem - according to the very strict rules for the Passover lamb. I wonder how they chose this date? -- I don't want to derail the thread, but it's a very interesting connection also - regarding the significance of Nisan 10th, 4 days before Passover. Many assume/ connect the Triumphal entry with the 10th of Nisan - Jesus was presented publicly in Jerusalem. Hmmm.
I also agree with you that Passover Sunday or Resurrection Sunday is so much better than Easter.
Maranatha
Disciple4life.
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Post by kjs on Mar 26, 2018 7:52:51 GMT -6
I think the Sunday of Passover (I can’t call it Easter anymore!) is a much better day to be anticipating, and I agree that Jesus will pick up where He left off! I’m feeling more sure of my theory that the Grand Pause of the Church Age began with the resurrection of Christ and ends with our resurrection. There has always been much debate of when the "Church" or "Body of Christ" actually began .... Some say Pentecost -- since that was when Peter (and the rest) were filled with the Holy Spirit and began preaching in earnest.... Others say -- no it was when the Apostle Paul was converted on the road of Damascus.... Still others say no it was after the Jerusalem council (51) when it was decided Peter and the disciples would continue only to the Jews and Paul and Barnabas would continue to reach out to the Gentiles. While I admit each of the above "time-stops" mentioned upon have a positive or Pro about them -- that make them a possible candidate.... witness1 raises a very good point ....... WITHOUT the resurrection of Christ -- THERE would be no resurrection of the church..... SO if God plans on "picking up where he left off" --- IT COULD be Resurrection Sunday! |
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Post by BrazenLaver on Mar 26, 2018 8:07:24 GMT -6
Exodus 12:3-5 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house: And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year
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