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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 18:13:45 GMT -6
I am by no means an expert (and it is certainly possible the “fixed calendar” is God’s calendar) – but I am very leery being willing to say – only such and such years – align with 1260 and 1290 day counts.
Great points KJS! None of us really knows for sure what the real calendar is, and that is why it is a prospective test.....we will find out very soon! I am very careful to say it is not definitive, but worth watching. It is worth noting that from the birth of Zedek from the womb in October is exactly 1260 days to Passover 2021 by the current Jewish calendar, and it is exactly 1290 days from the middle of Passover week to Yom Kippur 2024....now does this prove anything? No, but we will find out prospectively very soon if it means anything or not. If the current calendar is "God's" calendar that He gave us His signs by, then there are only certain years with 1290 day counts from Passover one year, to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later. This would have also been the case with any Jewish calender in the past......since the Sanhedrin added an extra month in certain years to adjust the lunisolar calendar.....and it would have "averaged" 7 of 19 years for an added month. We do not have all the historical evidence to know exactly how they did it, although the Talmud gives some clues...the reality is they kept tight control over the calendar, and performed the deliberations in a closed council......only to announce the results to the people when they deemed it timely. There were at least 4 calendars working in Judea at the time of Messiah in the first century, and even the Jewish people themselves could not agree....hence calendars of the Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Galileans.....then, there is the debate which no one knows the real answer for, which pertains to the "new moon" of Rosh Chodesh, the first of the month. There are competing viewpoints that the New Moon was the first sighting of the crescent, while others that the new moon occurs when the crescent of the old disappears.......so without evidence in hand to prove what really went on, all speculation as to what is the "correct" calendar in my view is just that...speculation. I find it interesting that God in His awesome knowledge, created and described the Rev 12 sign with the sun, in which we will not be able to see it without a miraculous event, which could occur....however, it is amazing that it appears the sign will mostly be known only through computerized technology, which did not even exist in our early lives.....it is for a time like this when we have computerized programs that we would even be looking to the skies. |
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Post by whatif on Jun 21, 2017 18:38:28 GMT -6
Thank you for all these fascinating details, sam! What a treat it is to get to learn from you and from all the members of the forum--studying together and learning from one another! I love it!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 19:46:01 GMT -6
Thank you whatif! I have learned far more from you and others than anything I can share...!
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Post by watchmanjim on Jun 21, 2017 20:14:39 GMT -6
None of us has the corner on insights! So glad to see everything everyone has contributed.
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Post by yardstick on Jul 13, 2017 10:07:41 GMT -6
I believe a possible solution to the quandry of 'date setting' is found in using a statistical model called a probability distribution curve. There are other names for it, such as 'bell curve' or 'normal curve'; but in essence, it is a graphical representation of where to find a data point (in our case, a harpazo date). The model allows for identifying the date with the greatest probability of occurrence (the 'mean') as well as permitting an allowable amount of variation from that point (the 'range', or 'distribution'). We have seen many analyses of significant dates, based upon scripture references and celestial signs. We have also seen significant dates from current events. If we were to plot a dot on each date that is identified as significant, we should see dots stacking up on or around some dates more than others. This would give us something like what is called a Histogram, which is a digitized form of the analog distribution curve. I have attached a 'timeline' file with dots plotted on specific dates that have been identified on websites such as this one, watchfortheday.org and alittlestrength.com. it is in excel format. I have been collecting this data in my head for a couple of weeks now, and would certainly appreciate any help fleshing out the specific articles and reasons for why there is a dot on a specific date. Attachments:distribution.xls (44.5 KB)
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Post by whatif on Jul 13, 2017 12:52:15 GMT -6
Cool Excel work, yardstick! Thank you for starting this up for study!
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Post by yardstick on Jul 13, 2017 12:54:48 GMT -6
Just updated the file. Its not got all the data collected yet in it, so if someone has found information not noted in it already, please post it so I can add it.
Thanks
p.s.: Some general starting guidelines for including a date:
1. Significant celestial event (Signs, and Great Signs), i.e. Great Sign of Rev 12:1-2
2. Mathematical calculation of days from either a Jewish holiday, or a Biblical passage. i.e.: 1260 days, Feast of Atonement
3. Significant event speculated to be relevant to Biblical eschatology. i.e.: International Peace Agreement open for signatures on 9/21
4. Avoidance of gematria or 'balaamic' (circumstantial) days or counts. i.e.: "the number 43 shows up 11 times in a row!"
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Post by mike on Nov 6, 2017 20:22:04 GMT -6
lookup check out this thread. I just browsed through the first page. One thing I noticed that is worth reminding all who were watching and stopped or those feeling weary and losing hope...check out the first two posts by Gary & Whatif where they discuss the Sept 23 sign as the event that unseals the whole thing. So many of us thought and hoped 9/23 was the rapture, but maybe it really did get the events started. We shall soon see.
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Post by klb on Nov 6, 2017 20:30:48 GMT -6
mike Wow - that's amazing. I know that the September 23rd sign is what made me start really getting back into the Bible. I've known we were in the end times for awhile but this has been the first time I've been excited. I feel like one thing has pointed to the next and the next - giving encouragement along the way. God has used all of this to bless me at a time when I really needed it. Thank you!
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Post by mike on Nov 6, 2017 20:42:51 GMT -6
That's great to hear klb! Like you God revealed the Great Sign to me and revived my dead soul about a year ago. There are no accidents..everything has a purpose. From lookup enquiring, to me remembering to search and where (thanks to whatif and the reference guide) to you being on line when I tagged lookup. God is so good to us |
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Post by lookup on Nov 7, 2017 10:46:54 GMT -6
That's great to hear klb! Like you God revealed the Great Sign to me and revived my dead soul about a year ago. There are no accidents..everything has a purpose. From lookup enquiring, to me remembering to search and where (thanks to whatif and the reference guide) to you being on line when I tagged lookup. God is so good to us Thanks so much for finding this for me, mike! I look forward to reading through it! Like you, the Rev 12 sign really woke me up and got me excited about the days we are living in! I have only been "awakened" for a few months, but I feel like I have learned so much from this website and discussion board, as well as through several You Tube channels. The Rev 12 sign being what unseals all remaining prophecies is a very interesting theory! I could totally see that. It certainly feels like we are in the season! |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 5, 2017 11:02:35 GMT -6
Finally, I am suggesting, GOD IS TELLING US SOMETHING...
The sign was not just an astronomical accident.
The sign was the SECOND GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN OF 9/23/2017! (how many hints about a resurrection/rapture were found in and around that sign? TONS!)
We count from the Great Sign of Revelation 12 for the PENTECOST TERMINATION COUNT as follows:
Read the verses in Leviticus 23:15 & 16, I will put it right here again, and you look and see if the count could be applicable.
15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
Apply those verses here because perhaps the Pentecost Season (that season where all who call on the name of the Lord will be saved) will end at the end of this Biblical count:
The Great Resurrection Sign of Rev. 12:1,2 September 23, 2017
ALL SABBATHS:
1 The first Sabbath after – Sept. 30, 2017
2 The second Sabbath - October 7, 2017
3 The third Sabbath - October 14, 2017
4 The fourth Sabbath - October 21, 2017
5 The fifth Sabbath - October 28, 2017
6 The sixth Sabbath - November 4, 2017
7 The seventh Sabbath - November 11, 2017
ALL SUNDAYS
1 The morrow after the seventh Sabbath - November 12, 2017
50 The day of the end of the 50 day count - December 31, 2017
What is new meat? The stuff that gets harvested AFTER First Fruits. In other words, the new meat Harvest/Resurrection at the very END of the Pentecost Season that occurs after Christ's Resurrection.
Please do not be concerned that the end of Pentecost count (Day 50) will not occur on the same day (Day 1) in Acts 2 that the beginning of Pentecost count started. THAT DIFFERENCE IS THE WHOLE POINT!!! It will end when the church is COMPLETE ON DAY 50. That's what 50 means. That’s why Pentecost, in Acts 2 started on DAY 1. Day 1 was the beginning of the Church BUT it was also Day 50 after the resurrection. The church needs another 50 for completion. 12/31 is Day 50 and potentially the completion of the Church, now READY FOR HARVEST, or will be ready for harvest at the end of the count to 50 on 12/31/2017.
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I am not the first to think of this other count. If you think this matter is interesting then you might want to do your own searching. The different Pentecost counts have been discussed in many places and for many reasons. However, rightly dividing the Word has never been this important before. It is important now.
Please read the article posted in the thread created by dennislwatson under Prophecy Discussion if you may be thinking..."Hey that looks interesting."
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 5, 2017 11:04:30 GMT -6
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 5, 2017 23:47:19 GMT -6
Does anyone have a timeline with exact verse references and most or all of the prophetic events and timeframes included.
Or, even just a Revelation 12 chapter timeline and where it fits in, so brethren can see what youre are talking about. Thanks
GAO
IHS
David
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