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Post by kjs on Oct 9, 2017 14:43:13 GMT -6
tiffanybw: I am really coming to the conclusion that you simply are unable to write a post with only a few sentences. Just about every one of your posts is at least a novelette .... Ok, ok technically it is a short story (using this criteria) Short fiction: under 7,500 words. Novelette: 7,500-17,500 words. Novella: 17,500-40,000 words. Novel: 40,000 words and up. Though there are some posts out there get darn close to that 7,500 limit! Most people on here (and I am one of them) rarely read word for word -- I will simply skim the paragraphs -- if something jumps out at me are seems interesting, I might go back a re-read that portion. You usually have too many ideas floating around in these novelettes -- so even if someone did wish to respond to one or more of them they would need to do some heavy editing -- most of the time when I am on the IPAD (which is not known for it's editing) -- I will at most simply glance through the -- without really reading it. If someone makes response to your novelette -- I may go back and read it -- but most of the time -- it is a quick skim through and moving on.... I know, I know -- I wasted a lot of space -- criticizing your style of long prose -- simple to point out that this novelette has nothing to do with the thread -- which happens to be "I found the dragon"..... Near as I can figure out -- it would go well under one of the predestination threads; or possibly my thread of a month or two ago called "ESPECIALLY". Listen, you are very intelligent with some great ideas -- but -- I honestly feel most people are not reading the entire post -- because it is bulky. Just something to consider -- when you discover you are starting your tenth paragraph ......  When I write, it is difficult to explain, and I am not holding myself up high or setting myself on a pedestal... but am merely a vessel. A vessel, that is being used of The Holy Spirit. When I make a long post, novelette, book, whatever you wish to define it as is fine with me (and did you seriously count the number of words... lol... so no time to read it; but time to count each word... not trying to be snarky... but just saying).  Anyways, truly, it is not as if it is "me" writing it. It is as if someone else is. And if no one else reads, just that it is ok. Because I myself go back and read, and I myself am blessed by what I have written, and The Holy Spirit reveals things to me, makes things more clear for me, and He teaches me through what I have just written. I think, that maybe (maybe not, and either way, it is ok); but I think... or it is my prayer to Jesus... that other people might read also... and be blessed, or that something that I have said might cause something else to be revealed to a brother or sister who reads it and that The Holy Spirit then uses them... reveals even more to them and expounds upon what I have written to share what The Holy Spirit has put into their heart... then to further share... and all of it edifies the Body of Christ (us who follow Him). This is how the Body of Christ is. We are many and we are also One; under Yeshua, who is our Head. Now, I'm not saying that I am something special, some sort of chosen prophet, that my words are to be held in the same esteem as we hold God's Word, The Bible. Certainly NOT! But I am saying, that all of us are special and we all serve our Father together... Head and Body. We who are of the Body, we make up different parts of that Body. Some are pastors, some are missionaries, some teach, some support, some love. Some have youtube channels, some have blogs, some share on their social media accounts such as Facebook. And then some come to forums such as this one and they read only, don't even join the forum. Some join the forum, read a lot, and don't post. Some read and post a little. Some read and post a lot. I do see you are a moderator here, and so I respect that. Are you, in your position that you have been given in this forum, telling me that I am not allowed to write what I do? Or is there a rule I am not aware of where our posts are only allowed to be... I don't know... 300 words or less? If so, absolutely I will respect those rules. I'll probably not stay a member, because for me... I don't come to skim or read highlights (some do and that is absolutely ok). I come to read, to learn, to teach, to fellowship with my brothers and sisters in Christ. I don't force anyone to read what I have written. So... if nothing else I now know that you don't read my posts. And that is ok with me. I'm not here to make anyone read my novels. However, I must say that your words and your attitude towards me, it hurts my feelings, is not a kind hearted attitude, is at times downright nasty and mean, and does not build up or edify the Body of Christ but attacks it and tears it down. An example of this, your post in this thread which was in response to galen: unsealed.boards.net/thread/986/possibly-final-facebook-postThere have been other posts, other topics, one that comes to mind is a thread where we were talking about Charlottesville and you felt the need to attack me then also. I don't know why. I guess you simply do not like me. And that is ok also. But please do not disrespect me. If you don't want to read, then don't. But please do not be nasty and mean to me. Because that does hurt my feelings. I realize that my posts, that many of them (not all), are lengthy. It's been joked about many times and I'm fine with that, I joke about it also, and it is all in good fun and lighthearted. What you have just done to me, not kind, not lighthearted, not joking. It's not for me to correct you as I am not staff here on this forum. Nor am I the Judge of your heart. I choose to not yield to my flesh and come back at you the way you have come at me. And so... no need to read my posts Brother. Thank you for sharing your opinion with me and all members here in regards to my "drivel". I respect your opinion. And if rules are made that limit what words can be spoken/written, or the number of words permitted to be written; I will most certainly follow them as soon as those rules are made official to the forum membership. May the Lord bless you, kjs. I hope you have a good day, that this post wasn't too long for you to read. I hope that my posts here, that they don't annoy you so much that you allow it to impact your day or your heart. I state that sincerely, not sarcastically. You are my Brother in Christ and I love you.  tiffanybw: I was attempting to use humor to to gently point out the huge prose you first presented under this thread had nothing to do with the topic. I even gave suggestions were it might be placed -- if you would care to move it. Ironically, you jokingly laugh when people call your prose novels -- yet when I call them novelette -- I am accused of attacking you. Interesting, my bad my humor was meant to be gentle. HERE is the directions -- in Flat out terms .... Please keep all prose directly related to the topic -- under said topic. Was that clear enough and to the point? As far as me attacking others (and apparently you ) in other threads -- please by all means "REPORT" those if you feel I have broken any rules. The Galen post -- I simply pointed out that "grouping people" into categories -- claiming some would be raptured and others would not ... I said No all believers would be raptured. Do not recall any Charlottesville thread -- but if I personally attacked you -- then report it. I did call you intelligent -- maybe that is what you felt I attacked you on -- or that you had some good ideas...... Hope this was a bit clearer -- my response to your first long post on this thread -- was simply meant to remind you to stay on topic. I tried to use humor -- because many had already mentioned novels -- guess that humor fell through.... Sorry for that. |
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Post by tiffanybw on Oct 9, 2017 14:58:34 GMT -6
tiffanybw , just wanted to let you know that I don't mind your long posts. I do sometimes read them a little bit at a time in multiple readings. Thank you for your contributions! Thank you, to the valiant knight whom I once told to be silent when he was joking with me about the pages and pages that would be flapping behind me in the wind as we all went up to meet Jesus in the air!  I know that you were joking, and mike I think it was. And it was fun and made me laugh so hard also with y'all! Because I do know that I am... just the tiniest bit, mind you... wordy. I promise everyone here, it's not that I try to be that way. Seriously, sometimes I start responding to a post, and before I know it I have to scroll and scroll to find where I began it. And then I'm like... *smacks my own head*... "OH NO because it is so long!" In all seriousness, I really do not try and make it that way. (If only I had this problem in college when I had to write my term papers.) <<---- Part in parenthesis is sarcastic and meant as joking. Thank you for making time to read my books! I'm such a great author too, because I don't even charge people for them! Quite the contrary, as seems maybe I will have to start paying people to read them! <<---- Another joke. Love you very much Brother! And I so much also appreciate your contributions to this forum, and love to read your posts, and everyones; as, no joke here... I do read way faster than I write!  I know, right? Take a minute to digest that! I can read fast! Love books, articles, forums, texting, and everything that is reading and/or writing... love both equally. |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Oct 9, 2017 15:02:13 GMT -6
tiffanybw interesting thoughts. Wondering though why John would say in 12:1, Clothed with the Sun and then in verse 3 he doesnt refer to this "other sign" as the sun but a dragon or red dragon. and then, what about the 7 heads and ten horns and such..? And, though I could draw a parallel of the Sun and Lucifer, I'll have to dig into Scripture some more as I have not really heard that comparison before.. The sun was part of the great sign and this other sign also has components. IMHO I see the dragon sign a metaphor and not a great heavenly sign, because John called it "another sign," and not "another great sign." Wrote this in another thread but at the time folks were really focusing on everything being in heaven. You and I actually had similar thoughts in regards to the urgency in John's "Behold" and you also were focusing on the pause of seeing "another sign" (as if he saw something that was not the dragon but the dragon then showed up).. Since later in Revelation there is a definition of the 7 heads and 10 horns I am sticking with the metaphorical aspect for verse 3, though I have been still watching the heavens for what might be an odd astronomical event.. the word Behold suggests to me something unexpected..
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Post by tliml on Oct 9, 2017 15:23:57 GMT -6
I came across the following video by Paul Dawson that put forward very interesting thoughts regarding the red dragon of Rev 12. He has also a great website that's worth exploring. revelationchapter12.comWould love to here some of the groups thoughts regarding Paul Dawson's research. |
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Post by sawdy on Oct 9, 2017 16:01:51 GMT -6
If you look at the dragon being separate from the sign in the sky and as a metaphor for something else, it could be referring to the G7.
The G7 is comprised of seven countries + the EU. But one of the countries is France, which is part of the EU anyways. It has 10 leaders. France and the EU each have two representatives.
The countries with a Monarch are as follows:
1. UK & Canada- same Monarch
2. Japan
Of the EU countries the following have Monarchs
3. Belgium
4. Denmark
5. Spain
6. Sweden
7. Luxembourg
8. Netherlands
9. Italy (Pope in the Vatican City)
So in essence, there is 7 crowns on the heads of the EU members of the G7. There is technically more than 7 crowns with he UK, Japan and Macron of France is the co-prince of Andorra.
So we come to the "red" dragon. Is there a fire, a war declared or something? When the unnamed sign in the heavens appears?
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Post by tiffanybw on Oct 9, 2017 16:47:46 GMT -6
When I write, it is difficult to explain, and I am not holding myself up high or setting myself on a pedestal... but am merely a vessel. A vessel, that is being used of The Holy Spirit. When I make a long post, novelette, book, whatever you wish to define it as is fine with me (and did you seriously count the number of words... lol... so no time to read it; but time to count each word... not trying to be snarky... but just saying). Anyways, truly, it is not as if it is "me" writing it. It is as if someone else is. And if no one else reads, just that it is ok. Because I myself go back and read, and I myself am blessed by what I have written, and The Holy Spirit reveals things to me, makes things more clear for me, and He teaches me through what I have just written. I think, that maybe (maybe not, and either way, it is ok); but I think... or it is my prayer to Jesus... that other people might read also... and be blessed, or that something that I have said might cause something else to be revealed to a brother or sister who reads it and that The Holy Spirit then uses them... reveals even more to them and expounds upon what I have written to share what The Holy Spirit has put into their heart... then to further share... and all of it edifies the Body of Christ (us who follow Him). This is how the Body of Christ is. We are many and we are also One; under Yeshua, who is our Head. Now, I'm not saying that I am something special, some sort of chosen prophet, that my words are to be held in the same esteem as we hold God's Word, The Bible. Certainly NOT! But I am saying, that all of us are special and we all serve our Father together... Head and Body. We who are of the Body, we make up different parts of that Body. Some are pastors, some are missionaries, some teach, some support, some love. Some have youtube channels, some have blogs, some share on their social media accounts such as Facebook. And then some come to forums such as this one and they read only, don't even join the forum. Some join the forum, read a lot, and don't post. Some read and post a little. Some read and post a lot. I do see you are a moderator here, and so I respect that. Are you, in your position that you have been given in this forum, telling me that I am not allowed to write what I do? Or is there a rule I am not aware of where our posts are only allowed to be... I don't know... 300 words or less? If so, absolutely I will respect those rules. I'll probably not stay a member, because for me... I don't come to skim or read highlights (some do and that is absolutely ok). I come to read, to learn, to teach, to fellowship with my brothers and sisters in Christ. I don't force anyone to read what I have written. So... if nothing else I now know that you don't read my posts. And that is ok with me. I'm not here to make anyone read my novels. However, I must say that your words and your attitude towards me, it hurts my feelings, is not a kind hearted attitude, is at times downright nasty and mean, and does not build up or edify the Body of Christ but attacks it and tears it down. An example of this, your post in this thread which was in response to galen: unsealed.boards.net/thread/986/possibly-final-facebook-postThere have been other posts, other topics, one that comes to mind is a thread where we were talking about Charlottesville and you felt the need to attack me then also. I don't know why. I guess you simply do not like me. And that is ok also. But please do not disrespect me. If you don't want to read, then don't. But please do not be nasty and mean to me. Because that does hurt my feelings. I realize that my posts, that many of them (not all), are lengthy. It's been joked about many times and I'm fine with that, I joke about it also, and it is all in good fun and lighthearted. What you have just done to me, not kind, not lighthearted, not joking. It's not for me to correct you as I am not staff here on this forum. Nor am I the Judge of your heart. I choose to not yield to my flesh and come back at you the way you have come at me. And so... no need to read my posts Brother. Thank you for sharing your opinion with me and all members here in regards to my "drivel". I respect your opinion. And if rules are made that limit what words can be spoken/written, or the number of words permitted to be written; I will most certainly follow them as soon as those rules are made official to the forum membership. May the Lord bless you, kjs. I hope you have a good day, that this post wasn't too long for you to read. I hope that my posts here, that they don't annoy you so much that you allow it to impact your day or your heart. I state that sincerely, not sarcastically. You are my Brother in Christ and I love you. tiffanybw: I was attempting to use humor to to gently point out the huge prose you first presented under this thread had nothing to do with the topic. I even gave suggestions were it might be placed -- if you would care to move it. Ironically, you jokingly laugh when people call your prose novels -- yet when I call them novelette -- I am accused of attacking you. Interesting, my bad my humor was meant to be gentle. HERE is the directions -- in Flat out terms .... Please keep all prose directly related to the topic -- under said topic. Was that clear enough and to the point? As far as me attacking others (and apparently you ) in other threads -- please by all means "REPORT" those if you feel I have broken any rules. The Galen post -- I simply pointed out that "grouping people" into categories -- claiming some would be raptured and others would not ... I said No all believers would be raptured. Do not recall any Charlottesville thread -- but if I personally attacked you -- then report it. I did call you intelligent -- maybe that is what you felt I attacked you on -- or that you had some good ideas...... Hope this was a bit clearer -- my response to your first long post on this thread -- was simply meant to remind you to stay on topic. I tried to use humor -- because many had already mentioned novels -- guess that humor fell through.... Sorry for that. Brother, I will not continue with this. Your advice/directions to me has been noted, by me; and this entire forum. I disagree and I do think my post is relevant to the thread. As to the rest, no comment and I choose to let each and every post in this forum made by me, by you, or by anyone else... just that what is written in black and white does speak for itself. God Bless you. With all sincerity, I am sorry that my novels bother and upset you so much. I don't write them thinking... "Let me try to upset kjs." Not joking, no sarcasm, and truly I do not even have you in mind at all when I post here on this forum. I do apologize that you don't like it, but I am not going to stop just because you say so, because you order me around as you just have above... by what authority, I do not know, other than that you personally have deemed my posts not relevant to the topic, not contributing to the topic, and for some reason... no idea what I have done to cause it and if I have offended you in some way, just that I am not aware of it, but again, I am sorry for offending you. However, I am not going to change the way I post, edit it, move it around to different threads, etc... simply to please your own personal desire or instruction of me. I won't respond to you further because I hate arguing, and very much dislike the disparaging way in which I feel you have treated me. I come here to this forum to get away from all of that, to get away from "the world". Please, I am asking you again, to stop; and to please treat me respectfully and as Brothers and Sisters in Christ should treat each other; and should treat everyone, including unbelievers. I don't think your present behavior, just that I don't think that Jesus would approve. All the same though, like is written in my long novel post in this thread, Jesus forgives. Even those who are not sorry, He forgives. I am trying the best I can to learn from Him. And I forgive you, even if there is nothing you are sorry about. God Bless you Brother. *hugs* |
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Post by tiffanybw on Oct 9, 2017 16:58:06 GMT -6
tiffanybw interesting thoughts. Wondering though why John would say in 12:1, Clothed with the Sun and then in verse 3 he doesnt refer to this "other sign" as the sun but a dragon or red dragon. and then, what about the 7 heads and ten horns and such..? And, though I could draw a parallel of the Sun and Lucifer, I'll have to dig into Scripture some more as I have not really heard that comparison before.. The sun was part of the great sign and this other sign also has components. IMHO I see the dragon sign a metaphor and not a great heavenly sign, because John called it "another sign," and not "another great sign." Wrote this in another thread but at the time folks were really focusing on everything being in heaven. You and I actually had similar thoughts in regards to the urgency in John's "Behold" and you also were focusing on the pause of seeing "another sign" (as if he saw something that was not the dragon but the dragon then showed up).. Since later in Revelation there is a definition of the 7 heads and 10 horns I am sticking with the metaphorical aspect for verse 3, though I have been still watching the heavens for what might be an odd astronomical event.. the word Behold suggests to me something unexpected.. I agree with you. And yeah, if the sun is the dragon then why does it specifically say that the woman was clothed with the sun? And the 7 heads, the 10 horns, the 7 crowns? i don't know. But it sure is exciting trying to figure it all out! Most of the time. lol I remember in another thread (don't remember which one), but the use of the word "behold". And we were discussing how Revelation 12:3 says there appeared another wonder in Heaven. And then it says, "behold". And how it is difficult to decipher whether or not the "behold" was in reference to "there appeared another wonder in Heaven"; if there were two wonders and the first wonder was something that appeared but was not spectacular. And then out of nowhere... Behold... the dragon (the dragon being a completely different wonder). Or, if the entire verse is speaking of only one wonder, the dragon? Personally, I think 2 different things are being spoken of. But nothing concrete about my thinking on that, as I have no idea, and it could be just one thing being spoken of in that verse. Ah, yes! That was you I was talking to in that thread! We thought the same thing. |
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Post by mike on Oct 9, 2017 18:14:57 GMT -6
Sometimes when quoting the cursor gets "stuck" in the original quote box. But I see now that you did link to Paul's thread ( Bolded above) |
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