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Post by stormyknight on Apr 24, 2020 12:43:12 GMT -6
barbiosheepgirl , you may be on to something here. We've been putting scripture under the microscope lately and this certainly qualifies a close look. It does say in Rev. 13:15 that those who do not worship the image of the beast will be slain, but in verse 16, it says " Also it causes all... to be marked in the right hand or forehead". It makes no distinction of faith.
added: Also, I find it interesting when talking to people about this vaccine with the tattoo tag being promoted by the Gates foundation. If my tone of voice in any way infers I'm thinking this might be a negative thing, the person I'm talking to quickly responds with how much good Bill and Melinda do for third world countries with curbing diseases, etc. I want to scream "...for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds." 2 Cor. 11:14-15
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Post by venge on Apr 25, 2020 6:34:36 GMT -6
venge ,I believe books outside the Bible can add commentary and color for us to better understand what the writers in the Bible are trying to tell us. For most like me we tend to read things in a 21st century context/understanding, which slants our views. We do need proper context but these extra biblical texts should not be considered on equal ground, nor to base a doctrine on. We do know that there were Nephilim in the days of Noah and after that. There are many teachings on this topic, so as noted previously I do not desire to get into debate on this topic. It is a topic for each believer to pray and understand on their own as it is not essential to salvation mike, I wrote you a LARGE response to this, but I since deleted it. It doesn't offer anything to the gospel, faith, salvation (as you said), repentance, our sinful struggle, what God wants etc..Would love to continue this in another post if you will..not as a debate or a I'm right, you're wrong thread. Would like to see scripture for and against and the apocrypha, which is not authenticated, that people use.
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Post by venge on Apr 25, 2020 6:53:37 GMT -6
barbiosheepgirl , you may be on to something here. We've been putting scripture under the microscope lately and this certainly qualifies a close look. It does say in Rev. 13:15 that those who do not worship the image of the beast will be slain, but in verse 16, it says "Also it causes all... to be marked in the right hand or forehead". It makes no distinction of faith.
added: Also, I find it interesting when talking to people about this vaccine with the tattoo tag being promoted by the Gates foundation. If my tone of voice in any way infers I'm thinking this might be a negative thing, the person I'm talking to quickly responds with how much good Bill and Melinda do for third world countries with curbing diseases, etc. I want to scream "...for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds." 2 Cor. 11:14-15
stormyknight , But "all" does not qualify the 144k who are marked as followers of God, not Babylon. So the "all", is not really everyone on the planet. Otherwise, that includes the Jews too and therefore, they cannot be changed at the end and be brought back into the original branch to receive great rewards because of Revelation 14:9 which says, So, if "all" were the case, that would include all - but you have to remove the 144k, the Jews and probably others. Now if you remove the Jews, who are enemies for the gospel's sake (Romans 11:28), how do they as antichrist (not believing in the son thereby not having the Father) not receive the mark and not have faith too? So this thing is difficult...and its hard to understand who is "all" because "all" is not really every living being but perhaps everyone else. So I looked up "all". This is what it says: The context of the sentence was of those who dwell on the earth and their names were NOT written in the book of life...so in that context, "all" or the complete sum, totalness of persons would be accurate. But that does not mean "all" people on the earth because its ONLY those not written in the book, what about those that ARE written in the book? They still exist on earth and did not take the mark. (Great reason for those not Pre TB here tee hee hee ) So the "all" is subjective to only those that are not written vs those that are written. EDIT: For understanding, here is the verse:
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Apr 25, 2020 17:21:09 GMT -6
so, does this mean we have ANY control? Who knows if one's name is written and where it is written? Not to derail, but this the above dialog of postings suggests a microscopic understanding of what truly is going on. This is why any Revealing about what is to happen or revealing of a happening will be glorious. I have suspected all along the whol chapter of Rev 13 is a challenge to unadulterated free will. According to the passage, there is nothing one can do if one is not written in the book of Life. Now how is that possible?
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Post by venge on Apr 26, 2020 6:16:29 GMT -6
so, does this mean we have ANY control? Who knows if one's name is written and where it is written? Not to derail, but this the above dialog of postings suggests a microscopic understanding of what truly is going on. This is why any Revealing about what is to happen or revealing of a happening will be glorious. I have suspected all along the whol chapter of Rev 13 is a challenge to unadulterated free will. According to the passage, there is nothing one can do if one is not written in the book of Life. Now how is that possible? I recognize your point of contention barbiosheepgirlBut God already knows who will run the race and who doesnt. Just because he knows the winners, he allows all to run in fairness. He doesn't sabotage the race or give the ones that will win the race a head start. Everyone starts the race from the beginning on equal footing. So the ones already written in the book of life since time began, they don't get to do anything they want. If they are written there, they have done everything right according to God's own will. A true disciple of the Lord will shy away from the flesh and seek the spirit. Not do anything they want because who knows who is written? They don't know themselves. Think about the last words of that verse. From the foundation of the world. It almost appears as from the beginning of man, everyone not written in the book will worship the beast. With that logic, has the beast been around forever? Is it the lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world or was it the heathen that dwell upon the earth (whose name are not in the book of life) from the foundation of the world. Hmm...
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Post by mike on Apr 27, 2020 8:17:39 GMT -6
venge , I hope you pasted the post on word or something You could have emailed it to me. I'd like to explore it further too. Thread or PM, either way
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Post by venge on Apr 27, 2020 8:52:11 GMT -6
venge , I hope you pasted the post on word or something You could have emailed it to me. I'd like to explore it further too. Thread or PM, either way I didn't, sometimes I am so passionate on something - I just write on it. Once I did, I re-read your post about not wanting to debate. Though my large reply was in that format, I wanted to respect your wishes and so I deleted it.
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Post by stormyknight on Apr 27, 2020 13:35:09 GMT -6
Ran across this article today. I thought it was pertinent to this subject. "so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the..." subscription? I'm not saying that this literally is the mark, but I'm thinking that all of this ties together as it has to do with buying and selling in our world today. And it also has to do with doing and thinking, the right hand and forehead.
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Post by Natalie on Apr 27, 2020 13:39:37 GMT -6
so, does this mean we have ANY control? Who knows if one's name is written and where it is written? Not to derail, but this the above dialog of postings suggests a microscopic understanding of what truly is going on. This is why any Revealing about what is to happen or revealing of a happening will be glorious. I have suspected all along the whol chapter of Rev 13 is a challenge to unadulterated free will. According to the passage, there is nothing one can do if one is not written in the book of Life. Now how is that possible?
I believe that my name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life. It was written there the day I put my faith in Him for salvation. Those who do not have their names written down is because they are not His - they won't worship Him but Anti-Christ instead. We can see it in some lives today - they won't worship Christ but will worship other things or people. I don't believe God makes people worship Him, and I don't think He will make people worship AC. There is a choice.
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