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Post by davewatchman on Jan 5, 2019 13:50:08 GMT -6
Now i'm watching this Paul Watchman Dawson video and it's giving me the willies. Does anyone know how he arrives at 1/21/2019 being the end of the Metonic cycle? I still haven't figured out the Metonic cycle. Or how it would apply to our endeavor here. But i wanted to take a stab at explaining why a 19 year cycle is not working exactly for what i am trying to do. I am using this big PDF list of solar and lunar eclipses that i can slide around on the screen. It's a 775 KB file made back in the day by Luis Vega. I don't know if it's too big to attach, or if it would be of any use to anyone. I don't think it's on Luis's site anymore, it's an older one. But anyway, with it, i can see the tetrads back in 1492, when Columbus sailed the ocean blue, i can recognize them for what I am looking for. I'll show how in a minute. Then i can easily use the little hand grabber tool to slide the PDF forward in time while counting the 19 year Metonic cycle. When more tetrads come along, they don't repeat EXACTLY as they did in 1492. The 1492 ones are more like the 2014 ones. They have a TOTAL solar eclipse prior to the third moon of the tetrad. But the 1492 ones are not exactly the same, the solar events with them are different than our recent tetrads. Look at these three screenshots as examples. In each of the cases, have an eyeball on the third moon of the tetrad. Look for a TOTAL solar eclipse prior to the lunar eclipse. That's what I look for because it gives me the 1372 number that matches the Daniel 12 prophetic time periods. But just notice for now that every 19 years the eclipses don't seem to repeat exactly as they have during the previous 19 year cycle. The icons with the big black dots are the annular eclipses. You can pretty much just start at the top one, scroll down while looking at the solar icons within the terads. The tetrads are there but the solar eclipses change. And that's not even getting started on them falling on the feast days, or in the vicinity of the Revelation 12 sign. What i look for is the sun to be turned into complete DARKNESS, moon into blood. And then a sun that is merely "darkened", followed by a blood moon. Before, and after. Like bookends. But they need to frame in 1335. The closest that i have found are these: (O)14(o) <------------1588------------> (O)14(o) (O)14(o) <----------1550----------> (O)14(o) (O)14(o) <---------1372---------> (O)14(o) (O)14(o) <--------1209--------> (O)14(o) (O)14(o) <------1195------> (O)14(o) 1372 was my closest winner when i divide it with the Daniel 12 numbers: <----1260----> <-----1290-----> 0.976744186046512 <------1335------> 0.966292134831461 <-------1372-------> 0.973032069970845 And that ought to be about enough to give me a headache, On a Peaceful Sabbath.
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Post by stormyknight on Jan 6, 2019 11:34:37 GMT -6
And that ought to be about enough to give me a headache, The research and time put in to this is admirable, davewatchman . I get lost sometimes with all the numbers and dates, but I realize what you are aiming for. I just wonder though, are we missing something? A couple of things happen for me just recently... one, a realization and the other could be a glitch or whatever in the programming, but it sparked a thought.
The latter happened when I was toodling around on Stellarium. I was looking at the moon for the upcoming eclipse on the 20th. So I was centered on the moon and backed up to the present day by day( or rather night by night at around 22-23 hundred hours), and I noticed on the 11th, the bottom of the moon blushed red. Why? It is in no position to be in the shadow of the Earth. Anyway, I just blew it off as a glitch, but it later made me wonder...
The former: On the day Jesus Christ was crucified, the sun was darkened, big earthquake and all that. Matt. 27:45,51 We know it was not an eclipse because it was passover and the moon was full. Whatever happened was most assuredly 'super' natural. No blood moons, no natural eclipses, etc.
All these recent events happening in the heavens are definitely, at least in my mind, signs of impending bigger events coming. We know that when Jesus Christ returns it will be like lighting flashing from the east to the west. Matt. 24:27 Flashes of lighting are unexpected in the sense that, while there is a storm brewing, you know lightning is coming, but not when, and when it comes, it is fast and, unless you are completely ignorant, will grab your attention.
But these are all signs and wonders.
"For the Jew requires a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jew a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God". 1 Cor.1:22-24
We know the storm is brewing, actually it is here and becoming more fierce by the day. We must be of one mind-
"I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree together, so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be united in mind and conviction." 1 Cor. 1:10
Is that what the delay is? Is our Heavenly Father waiting for those who will fall away to fall away and the rest to coalesce into one mind, which is Christ crucified, died and raised?
Please pray, brothers and sisters, fervently, that we all here, and as many as are hopeful in Christ, come together, forgetting differences and trivialities, and are ready to make that glorious ascension to our places prepared by our Redeemer, Jesus Christ!
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Post by mike on Jan 6, 2019 12:11:00 GMT -6
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Post by davewatchman on Jan 6, 2019 14:07:02 GMT -6
And that ought to be about enough to give me a headache, The research and time put in to this is admirable, davewatchman . I get lost sometimes with all the numbers and dates, but I realize what you are aiming for. I just wonder though, are we missing something? I KNOW we are missing something. At least, i KNOW i am missing something. I'd be happy just to get the timing right, but i don't know what's going to happen next. I still think we're on track for the timing. We still have one shell in left the chamber. It aint over until until it's over. But after that last bullet, i WILL be empty. A couple of things happen for me just recently... one, a realization and the other could be a glitch or whatever in the programming, but it sparked a thought. The latter happened when I was toodling around on Stellarium. I was looking at the moon for the upcoming eclipse on the 20th. So I was centered on the moon and backed up to the present day by day( or rather night by night at around 22-23 hundred hours), and I noticed on the 11th, the bottom of the moon blushed red. Why? It is in no position to be in the shadow of the Earth. Anyway, I just blew it off as a glitch, but it later made me wonder... The former: On the day Jesus Christ was crucified, the sun was darkened, big earthquake and all that. Matt. 27:45,51 We know it was not an eclipse because it was passover and the moon was full. Whatever happened was most assuredly 'super' natural. No blood moons, no natural eclipses, etc. All these recent events happening in the heavens are definitely, at least in my mind, signs of impending bigger events coming. We know that when Jesus Christ returns it will be like lighting flashing from the east to the west. Matt. 24:27 Flashes of lighting are unexpected in the sense that, while there is a storm brewing, you know lightning is coming, but not when, and when it comes, it is fast and, unless you are completely ignorant, will grab your attention. But these are all signs and wonders. "For the Jew requires a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jew a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God". 1 Cor.1:22-24 We know the storm is brewing, actually it is here and becoming more fierce by the day. We must be of one mind- "I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree together, so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be united in mind and conviction." 1 Cor. 1:10 Is that what the delay is? Is our Heavenly Father waiting for those who will fall away to fall away and the rest to coalesce into one mind, which is Christ crucified, died and raised? Today is still just the 6th. It's still Epiphany. I feel like Ebeneezer Scrooge that just woke up, and little christmas isn't over yet. It's still three kings day. Epiphanytide
Either on Twelfth Night (January 5), the twelfth day of Christmastide and eve of the feast of the Epiphany, or on Epiphany Day (January 6) itself, many Christians (including Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians and Roman Catholics, among others) chalk their doors with a pattern such as this, "20 † C † M † B † 19", with the numbers referring "to the calendar year (20 and 19, for instance, for this upcoming year, 2019); the crosses stand for Christ; and the letters have a two-fold significance: C, M and B are the initials for the traditional names of the Magi (Caspar, Melchior and Balthasar), but they are also an abbreviation of the Latin blessing Christus mansionem benedicat, which means, May Christ bless this house."We just need to switch to this countdown, Martin Luther King Jr Day: www.timeanddate.com/countdown/eclipse?iso=20190121Please pray, brothers and sisters, fervently, that we all here, and as many as are hopeful in Christ, come together, forgetting differences and trivialities, and are ready to make that glorious ascension to our places prepared by our Redeemer, Jesus Christ! I will pray this along with you stormy, Thank you for the very kind words. "20 † C † M † B † 19"
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Post by davewatchman on Jan 6, 2019 15:54:53 GMT -6
Dave honestly hope you are right. My 'gut' tells me the lunar eclipse will come and go without any major event. Maybe a new conflict could break out? Or Damascus is ruined? Something in Israel, but not our blessed hope, not yet I remember when i first answered this. I was thinking that by the time we hit the LUNAR eclipse, we'll probably already be in the air. I was afraid that something could happen starting from the day of the solar eclipse, and in the 17 days leading up to the lunar eclipse. I thought that i had said it, but i was thinking it, and thinking about the Greek word that Matthew used for tribulation. It sounds like saying "Immediately after the pressure of those days the sun will be "darkened" AND the noon will not give it's light. thlîpsis
Thayer's Definition 1. a pressing, pressing together, pressure 2. metaph. oppression, affliction, tribulation, distress, straits Paul uses the same word in Romans combined with other words that sound worse than pressure. Romans 8:35 "Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
I think that the seven churches in Revelation were real churches near the Island of Patmos where John was writing the Book. But i also think that those seven 1st century churches probably describes seven types, or groups, of God's People that would continue all the way through to the end.
To the Church in Smyrna"Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation.And for ten days you will have tribulation. But only "some" out of ONE of the seven churches are told this. Whatever this means, ten days is one of the shortest prophetic time periods we have to work with. And immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened AND the moon will not give her light immediately after. If the moon not giving it's light is a lunar eclipse, then that's just another name for a blood moon. Which would happen immediately after the tribulation of those days. And i always had it set in my mind that a solar and and a lunar eclipse is 14 days apart. I read it somewhere and it stuck. But in this case i can count inclusively for there to be 17 days, from the "darkened' sun, until the blood moon. The "darkened" sun, from skotos; to obscure (literally or figuratively) -- darken. The obscured sun. The sun is obscured. Not turned into complete darkNESS like the Joel 2 sun is "before". Just merely "darkened", obscured. Like a third of the day and a third of the night and a third of the stars, darkened. The guys at 119 ministries noticed this too. Some show the solar eclipse to be on the 5th, and others show it on the 6th. Maybe it straddles a time zone. And an eclipse never comes alone. They're a team. They're part of a set. Like two witnesses. Established forever like the moon, the faithful witness in the sky. AND the moon will not give it's light immediately after. My dodge odometer says all systems are a go. When i got home on Thursday, it read 144 thousand and seventeen. I only work a 4 day week so Friday is my day off. 144 017 So start counting from the start of the eclipse on the 5th, seven days brings us to Friday the 11th. And then start counting again from the 12th, count ten days until the 21st, when the super blood wolf moon will not give it's light. 7+10= 17. www.timeanddate.com/countdown/eclipse?iso=20190121I'm starting to feel like that guy making the black screen videos from his car. And after this, if this fails, i don't see anything that has any logic. I did see a darkened sun, and a blood moon combo starting on April 30, 2022. It's 1210 days after these current eclipse sets. But they're too far out to measure with anything else. They're out there all alone. I need more witnesses to settle a matter. And 1210 doesn't do anything for me. I can't think of a way to make it fit anything. So it must be happening now. "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. – Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. If this turns out erroneous, i'll just have to blame it on the dodge ram odometer. That, and having some sore neurotransmitters. And may the Dear Lord forgive me. The Meaning of Numbers: The Number 17
In the Bible the number 17 symbolizes "overcoming the enemy" and "complete victory." God overcame the sins of rebellious humans when he began to flood the earth through rain on the 17th of the second Hebrew month. Noah's ark and its eight passengers rested on the mountains of Ararat on the 17th of the seventh month (right in the middle of God's annual Holy period known as the Feast of Tabernacles). www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/17.html
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Post by boraddict on Jan 6, 2019 21:31:59 GMT -6
Dave, you helped clear up the "black as sackcloth of hair" phrase in Rev. 6:12 (KJV). It must mean a solar eclipse that is associated with the blood moon in that verse. However, this solar and blood moon occur after the beast has made his move (earlier in Chapter 6). How does this fit into your scenario? Post Script: If you were to look into a sackcloth made of hair; how black is that? I guess it would be very black. How black is a sackcloth made of burlap? I think that would be easily seen through. So it must be a total solar eclipse in association with a blood moon at Verse 6:12 and this is at the ending of the 7 years. Does this condition exist for Israel 7 or 8 years from now? I mean, it seems that the solar and blood moon would be seen from the nation state of Israel; for the ending of the tribulation that is. So, from that condition, if it exists, we would then find the beginning by counting back 7 years. "An Eclipse Never Comes Alone! A solar eclipse always occurs about two weeks before or after a lunar eclipse. Usually, there are two eclipses in a row, but other times, there are three during the same eclipse season." www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/2024-april-8For example: let's say the event of Rev. 6:12 is in 2024, then it stands to reason that the beginning of the tribulation was Sept. 23, 2017. From this it would mean that the violent aspects of the tribulation do not begin at the beginning; but at the middle (just guessing). This baits the question, Whose tribulation? Clearly not the tribulation of the Jews or the saints. Thus, if the tribulation began on the day of "the great sign," then it is Christ's tribulation; a continuation of his passion. Because, during his passion week he did his greatest work. Now that Passion Week is in years he will again do another great work. It follows that he was put on the cross the fourth day, then logically the first 3.5 years are teaching years. Then as he was put on the cross, he will likewise return violence for violence. For me the logic appears to flow in this direction. This would mean that the seven seals correspond to the seven years of the Passion Week. We see that the first three years are preparatory and the big action of the beast is at the fourth year (4th horseman). This also means that the beast is now in his second year at Verse 6:4. It then follows that after Sept 23, 2019 we will see food shortages somewhere in the world; perhaps here. Then after Sept. 23, 2020, the beast is in his glory killing the people of the earth. Since Chapter 7 is parenthetical to Chapter 6, then it stands to reason that the rapture will occur after the teaching years; after 3.5 years; after March of 2021. Thus, the rapture corresponds to when Christ was raised upon the cross. This could be a complicated timeline since Christ was put on the cross at approximately 2 PM (?), only four hours remaining in the fourth day. Thus, the rapture would take place in May of 2021; 1.6 months after the teaching is over (just a quick guess). The woes would then have an application beginning at May 2021; something like that, with Chapter 10 and the construction of the temple being parenthetical to the woes. One thing that I have never understood is the application of the 5 months in the first woe. It may be the case that these five months are the ending to the fourth year (Sept 2020- Sept 2021). This would mean that the second woe is at November of 2021, something like that; at the beginning of the 5th seal; 5th year. Then we have the 6th seal with the world in turmoil and the final action in the 7th year (seal) in 2024.
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Post by bondservant on Jan 7, 2019 7:49:56 GMT -6
And that ought to be about enough to give me a headache,
"For the Jew requires a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jew a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God". 1 Cor.1:22-24
We know the storm is brewing, actually it is here and becoming more fierce by the day. We must be of one mind-
"I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree together, so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be united in mind and conviction." 1 Cor. 1:10
Is that what the delay is? Is our Heavenly Father waiting for those who will fall away to fall away and the rest to coalesce into one mind, which is Christ crucified, died and raised?
Please pray, brothers and sisters, fervently, that we all here, and as many as are hopeful in Christ, come together, forgetting differences and trivialities, and are ready to make that glorious ascension to our places prepared by our Redeemer, Jesus Christ! My Pastor touched on this yesterday morning. There is way too much division in the church. The sad thing is that I have only seen the churches operating at capacity and in unity during times of distress. (Gulf War & 9/11 etc)
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Post by stormyknight on Jan 7, 2019 10:59:45 GMT -6
The other night when I was messing around with Stellarium, I also noticed the close conjunction of Venus and Jupiter, but as I was focused on the blood moon, I didn't notice the details of the conjunction. Lo and Behold this video pops up on my reddit feed this morning:
Maranatha, brothers and sisters! I've got a severe case of the tingles...
edit: something else I noticed: the conjunction happening during a blood moon. 1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin."
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Post by kjs on Jan 7, 2019 15:21:01 GMT -6
Wow kjs, it sounds like you win the prize for being in the biggest city. BIG TOWN Washington DC. Have you ever bumped into Trump at the grocery store on the weekend?, if you do tell him Dave Watchman said hi. I bet it MUST be busy in traffic around there. Got to get up early to beat the traffic. Eating and drinking and marrying. The restaurants around the Toronto area are breaking records. Even the previously obscure and quiet companies that supply the parts to the industrial kitchen equipment are breaking records in growth. I see lineups at the counter of repairmen buying parts at RG Henderson. Eating and drinking and marrying. Peaceful Sabbath.
I avoid DC as much as possible ......... SO IF President Trump does his own shopping (Which I highly doubt) -- I never have a chance to bump into him........
I think LA may have us beat on traffic ..... but yes the DC Metro Traffic is pretty bad -- 495 (the major beltway in the area) is bumper to bumper 6 to 10 and 4 to 7 with just heavy traffic the rest of the time......
I am seven miles from the place I travel to most often -- and on a regular driving day -- it takes 20 to 40 minutes to travel just 7 miles...... IF there is an accident (or major snow) add an additional hour to the drive......
well today is the seventh and we are still moving ahead .............
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Post by bondservant on Jan 7, 2019 16:02:45 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Jan 7, 2019 18:51:08 GMT -6
Thanks Bondservant! I asked Gary in his recently posted thread on the "main page" about the significance of the blood moon being that it's over the "western world" and not visible in Israel. Follow to page hereThis makes it's make sense for me. One on the same Jewish Holiday as last year over Israel. Yup Disclaimer - I have no idea what it means 😂
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Post by rt on Jan 7, 2019 23:37:26 GMT -6
Dave, you helped clear up the "black as sackcloth of hair" phrase in Rev. 6:12 (KJV). It must mean a solar eclipse that is associated with the blood moon in that verse. However, this solar and blood moon occur after the beast has made his move (earlier in Chapter 6). How does this fit into your scenario? Post Script: If you were to look into a sackcloth made of hair; how black is that? I guess it would be very black. How black is a sackcloth made of burlap? I think that would be easily seen through. So it must be a total solar eclipse in association with a blood moon at Verse 6:12 and this is at the ending of the 7 years. Does this condition exist for Israel 7 or 8 years from now? I mean, it seems that the solar and blood moon would be seen from the nation state of Israel; for the ending of the tribulation that is. So, from that condition, if it exists, we would then find the beginning by counting back 7 years. "An Eclipse Never Comes Alone! A solar eclipse always occurs about two weeks before or after a lunar eclipse. Usually, there are two eclipses in a row, but other times, there are three during the same eclipse season." www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/2024-april-8For example: let's say the event of Rev. 6:12 is in 2024, then it stands to reason that the beginning of the tribulation was Sept. 23, 2017. From this it would mean that the violent aspects of the tribulation do not begin at the beginning; but at the middle (just guessing). This baits the question, Whose tribulation? Clearly not the tribulation of the Jews or the saints. Thus, if the tribulation began on the day of "the great sign," then it is Christ's tribulation; a continuation of his passion. Because, during his passion week he did his greatest work. Now that Passion Week is in years he will again do another great work. It follows that he was put on the cross the fourth day, then logically the first 3.5 years are teaching years. Then as he was put on the cross, he will likewise return violence for violence. For me the logic appears to flow in this direction. This would mean that the seven seals correspond to the seven years of the Passion Week. We see that the first three years are preparatory and the big action of the beast is at the fourth year (4th horseman). This also means that the beast is now in his second year at Verse 6:4. It then follows that after Sept 23, 2019 we will see food shortages somewhere in the world; perhaps here. Then after Sept. 23, 2020, the beast is in his glory killing the people of the earth. Since Chapter 7 is parenthetical to Chapter 6, then it stands to reason that the rapture will occur after the teaching years; after 3.5 years; after March of 2021. Thus, the rapture corresponds to when Christ was raised upon the cross. This could be a complicated timeline since Christ was put on the cross at approximately 2 PM (?), only four hours remaining in the fourth day. Thus, the rapture would take place in May of 2021; 1.6 months after the teaching is over (just a quick guess). The woes would then have an application beginning at May 2021; something like that, with Chapter 10 and the construction of the temple being parenthetical to the woes. One thing that I have never understood is the application of the 5 months in the first woe. It may be the case that these five months are the ending to the fourth year (Sept 2020- Sept 2021). This would mean that the second woe is at November of 2021, something like that; at the beginning of the 5th seal; 5th year. Then we have the 6th seal with the world in turmoil and the final action in the 7th year (seal) in 2024. To answer your question about sackcloth made with hair, it is light permeable. So some light would pass through it, though not much. I suspect that the blood moon and darkened sun of Revelation 6 are not eclipses, but rather caused by some other natural or supernatural phenomenon. Perhaps volcanic activity. These events could occur far apart from each other as well. We have no idea what scale of time John saw these events in. I would respectfully disagree with your assertion that we are currently experiencing "Christ's tribulation" as a continuation of "His passion". This to me is not biblically sound. Christ's personal tribulation ended at the cross. He obtained victory, to say His tribulation continues, is to keep him bound to the cross. The cross isn't the greatest work Christ accomplished for us, the cross would have been useless without the resurrection! I do not see the final seven years of Daniel's prophecy correlating to the 7 days of the passion week of Christ in the way you describe. Daniel tells us exactly who the seventy weeks are for and what they will accomplish. The final seven years are what accomplishes the prophecy and restores and reconciles Israel to God. John also explains who the tribulation is for- to test those who dwell on the earth. (Rev 3:10) including Israel who as a nation will pass the test. I do not at all believe we are currently within the tribulation spoken of by John. I do believe that the "great sign: as we call it has meaning. What exactly it means I cannot say for sure, only that it appears to fulfill what John describes in Revelation 12, which IMO precedes the rapture which I think is described in the passage as the catching up of the male child. How far ahead of the child being caught up to heaven does this sign appear? Who can say, John doesn't tell us. When I read the passage it sounds to me like the dragon has been waiting a long time- standing before the woman, to devour her child. Satan has been waiting to thwart God's plan of salvation, which came through the Jews, since his rebellion. Israel (the woman) was God's instrument to bring about salvation, Satan knew that the seed of the woman would bruise his head. Jesus and His body make up the child. My thoughts on the subject are more clearly spelled out here unsealed.boards.net/thread/133/revised-view-pretrib-raptureYou are however free to disagree, no judgement on my part, just sharing my thoughts.
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Post by rt on Jan 8, 2019 8:34:46 GMT -6
davewatchman, really appreciate all the time and effort you put into this post. I wonder, do you have a chart that shows the timing of when the next tetrad ocurs? Just curious as to when that will happen again. Thanks for sharing your work with us.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 8, 2019 9:09:37 GMT -6
To answer your question about sackcloth made with hair, it is light permeable. So some light would pass through it, though not much. I suspect that the blood moon and darkened sun of Revelation 6 are not eclipses, but rather caused by some other natural or supernatural phenomenon. Perhaps volcanic activity. These events could occur far apart from each other as well. We have no idea what scale of time John saw these events in. I would respectfully disagree with your assertion that we are currently experiencing "Christ's tribulation" as a continuation of "His passion". This to me is not biblically sound. Christ's personal tribulation ended at the cross. He obtained victory, to say His tribulation continues, is to keep him bound to the cross. The cross isn't the greatest work Christ accomplished for us, the cross would have been useless without the resurrection! I do not see the final seven years of Daniel's prophecy correlating to the 7 days of the passion week of Christ in the way you describe. Daniel tells us exactly who the seventy weeks are for and what they will accomplish. The final seven years are what accomplishes the prophecy and restores and reconciles Israel to God. John also explains who the tribulation is for- to test those who dwell on the earth. (Rev 3:10) including Israel who as a nation will pass the test. I do not at all believe we are currently within the tribulation spoken of by John. I do believe that the "great sign: as we call it has meaning. What exactly it means I cannot say for sure, only that it appears to fulfill what John describes in Revelation 12, which IMO precedes the rapture which I think is described in the passage as the catching up of the male child. How far ahead of the child being caught up to heaven does this sign appear? Who can say, John doesn't tell us. When I read the passage it sounds to me like the dragon has been waiting a long time- standing before the woman, to devour her child. Satan has been waiting to thwart God's plan of salvation, which came through the Jews, since his rebellion. Israel (the woman) was God's instrument to bring about salvation, Satan knew that the seed of the woman would bruise his head. Jesus and His body make up the child. Thank you rt. I had never considered the Passion Week in years before now. However, there seems to be a precedent in Daniel of weeks being applied as years such that the Passion Week (7 days) is a type for the tribulation (7 years) that follows. Not that Christ personally suffers during the tribulation, but that the type (Passion Week) participates in explaining the shadow (the tribulation). If that is correct, then we should be able to identify certain characteristics of the tribulation via the Passion Week; and most notably of these is the time of teaching vs. the time of destruction. For the Passion Week the time of teaching was from Bethany on the first night of the week up to the garden incident wherein Christ was taken prisoner on the fourth night of the week. This period of time was three complete nights and days, thus it was the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd nights/days of the week, and part of the 4th night of the week. Then Christ was captured in the fourth night of the week and was held by his enemies and in the tomb until the first night of the following week. Thus, the second period of time was from his capture in the 4th night of the week and through 4th day, then the 5th, 6th, and 7th nights/days of the week. Correspondingly, if the type applies to the shadow we should have three years of teaching, debate, wars, and rumors of wars, and on into the fourth year perhaps by a few months (this period of teaching is also the period of plotting by the wicked). Afterwards, this time of teaching/plotting is followed by the capture of the world by the beast in the fourth year that corresponds to the 4th night of the Passion Week. I realize this is a new way of looking at the tribulation; however, if this type and shadow relationship is correct then we have a much clearer picture of what is coming.
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Post by stormyknight on Jan 8, 2019 10:01:08 GMT -6
Jesus Christ told us, when we see these things, the events happening on the Earth, to look up. What is up there? The story is being played out in the stars before our very eyes. So far, we are up to Rev. 12:5a. On the 21st/22nd of Jan. 2019, Rev. 12:5b will take place. Jesus Christ, the Head, will join with the Church, the body. What is next? The woman will flee into the wilderness. Well, in the story in the heavens, the woman has been Virgo. Anyone have any ideas how she will flee to the wilderness and be nourished for 1260 days? After that it says "THEN there was war in Heaven...". Is the point we're at now the place where things get real? I mean, there are some things that may not be possible to depict in the stars, as in will the whole constellation of Virgo move away to somewhere else in the heavens? How could that verse possibly be depicted in the stars?
I don't know, I'm just spitballing here. I'm not trying to pinpoint the rapture, it's just that at some point things are going to get real in that people are going to witness supernatural events. Things that cannot be explained away by science... and then shall the end come.
edit: I have to apologize. My frustration is getting the better of me at times and I'm sorry, and earlier when I wrote this, I feel I just popped off. It's not only the false prophets, fitz, it's the scoffers too. "where is your savior?" I need to meditate more and ask the Father for more patience. Jesus is on His way. I know it.
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