Those are some good points. And I think we could go round and round about this because it is certainly a bit ambiguous. But I feel like this verse settles it:
The same night he arose and took his two wives, his two female servants, and his eleven children, and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. - Genesis 32:22
It does not say it took 4 wives... it says 2 wives and 2 female servants.
Also notice it says "took his eleven children" -- which has to mean sons cause 1) we know of Dinah (and more than likely there were several daughters) and 2) the "SONS"-- were all called HIS Children -- even though several of them were through substitute "wives".
We also know all "eleven" sons (twelve if you count the two grandsons) became "tribes of Israel" -- even with all the disqualification, sons of non-wives and the like -- they ALL were still counted as Jacob's seed.
Don’t the best ideas always come when you should be asleep? Here’s another:
Which bride, Rachel or Leah, bore the most fruit? Which bride had a womb that was closed until much later? (We see the church has born much fruit but Israel has only recently begun to convert.) Which bride became jealous of the other when she saw her sister was bearing fruit but she wasn’t? Hmmm. Sounds a lot like Romans 11 to me.
When Rachel saw that she bore Jacob no children, she envied her sister. She said to Jacob, "Give me children, or I shall die!" - Genesis 30:1
It’s like all of a sudden Rachel looked around and saw Leah had children and she didn’t. That verse always struck me as funny that she didn’t see it happening over several years but rather one day noticed she didn’t have kids.
Thankfully, this chosen bride did eventually bare fruit, and this fruit was the apple of his father’s eye. This son was loved above the other 11. (That always felt unfair to me too, yet that’s exactly how things went down.)
Let’s go a step further... this son, Joseph, the most loved by his father, the one Israel had in his old age, saved all his brothers and even his father. When you’re reading the story and all you see is the well and slavery, you think this can’t possibly end well. Yet God works miracles and what people intend for evil He uses for good. And this fruit of Rachel born to Israel in his old age saves his brothers and the whole land during the 7 year famine.
If God is going to restore all things... And I say “if” because this is new to me and I don’t feel sure of it yet... wouldn’t it make sense that He has a plan to do so? A plan that has been in the works since the dawn of time? A story that began long ago and whose characters develop through the ages as each plays his role in the grandest story ever told? Could it be that He shows us how this will play out? A bride is chosen but barren. An unloved bride who bears much fruit. The offspring of the chosen bride suffers greatly at the hands of men but meets his Lord in the dungeon of darkness and then shines this light forward into all the land.
We know the Lord meets us in the pit. When you read Joseph’s story, you see that God worked in him in that prison. He came out a different man, having encountered God. The other brothers never rose to greatness because they were never tried as severely as the one who was loved above all others. This is a hard road to be called to for sure. But He who calls is faithful. As for us, let us be like Reuben who tries to come to the defense of Joseph and not like the brothers who are eager to sell him. May we begin praying for these 144,000 witnesses who will travel a narrow and rocky path but who will meet the Lord along the way and, perhaps, in the end save the entire land, or at least his father’s house.
From reading these two posts I think you would enjoy this "The Wedding Pattern" about Rachel and Leah. If I can figure out how to link.....
visit-r: You have to wonder about Purim. It is an "appointed time" according to Esther 9:27, but it is not a "moedim" appointed feast day. As such, it is usually ignored in end times. Maybe it has some kind of "hidden" significance? Curious, that is the theme.
Feb 17, 2020 6:44:53 GMT -6
visit-r: Interesting too EnochWalked. Maybe what the "tomb" represents makes them feel nervous and uneasy?
Feb 17, 2020 6:52:42 GMT -6
bernie: Gary, I agree with EW, an update would be awesome. I had a question as well from the same article. You mentioned the 2018-2028 time frame as an interesting possible window for all of it, and I was wondering if that date range has changed for you? Thanks!
Feb 17, 2020 17:41:08 GMT -6
Servant: FYI, the article said April - May 2019 is the time frame to watch out for.
Feb 17, 2020 20:12:48 GMT -6
mike: interesting info Servant. The world is watching for certain. Some looking in wrong places, nonetheless watching
Feb 18, 2020 8:56:13 GMT -6
Servant: Mike: we are due for a contraction. Final contraction?
Feb 18, 2020 11:59:25 GMT -6
Servant: The revealing of 'messiah' in Israel. I cant imagine the reaction.
Feb 18, 2020 12:04:03 GMT -6
EnochWalked: Servant: Wow. I don't know if these rabbis have made such claims bold predictions before. I look forward to seeing what happens with the election next month, and Netanyahu's trial. Also "There is a Messiah in potential in every generation" sounds familiar.
Feb 18, 2020 16:49:22 GMT -6
Servant: I suggest to take it with a grain of salt. After all, there are many potential candidates for 'messiah'. Still, it's making me . . . uneasy.
Feb 18, 2020 18:06:36 GMT -6
Servant: Reminds me of the warning. "If anyone says to you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it." And "So if they say to you, ‘He is in the desert,’ do not go out there; if they say, ‘He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it"
Feb 18, 2020 18:12:13 GMT -6
Servant: I am guessing that they will anoint him or ceremony to establish that he is 'messiah' . Anyway, happening so soon to Peace Deal makes one wonder. . .
Feb 18, 2020 18:15:06 GMT -6
Natalie: I so look forward to when Israel accepts the true Messiah.
Feb 18, 2020 18:35:27 GMT -6
EnochWalked: Thank you for your words of wisdom, Servant and Natalie.
Feb 18, 2020 19:36:18 GMT -6
Servant: Natalie: That would be one of the greatest days ever. I look forward to it.
Feb 18, 2020 20:31:26 GMT -6
Servant: EnochWalked: You are welcome. And I thank everyone here who have been contributing and I hope more people will be attending and grow the community bigger. In time, this site will be useful for those left behind.
Feb 18, 2020 20:38:44 GMT -6