TrumpetsTX
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Favorite Verse: Philippians 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Post by TrumpetsTX on Oct 6, 2021 22:57:58 GMT -6
Feast of Trumpets, October 2021
According to the Jewish calendar, Trumpets 5782 AM is September 6-7, 2021 when the sun is between Leo and Virgo. The stars say Trumpets is October 7/8, 2021 when Virgo is clothed in the sun with the moon at her feet (Genesis 1:14, Revelation 12:1-2). A leap month should have been added in the spring of 2021 instead of 2022. A leap year occurs 7 times in the 19-year Metonic cycle, namely, in years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19 of the cycle. ---- Jewish Calendar Leap Months A leap year occurs 7 times in 19 years so a leap month of 30 days is added every 2 or 3 years. After comparing the calculated Jewish calendar 2000-2030 against the sky, leap years delay the leap month. When examining the sun with constellations using Stellarium (400-2021), the sun drifts backward about 23 days or 1 day every 70 years. This is caused by an axial precession or wobble of the earth. The 19-year cycle does not adjust for the drift but the observable calendar could keep months aligned to the constellations and the story of redemption. If Rosh Hashanah falls on a Sunday (1), Wednesday (4) or Friday (6), then it is postponed to the next day. This eliminates a High Sabbath next to the Sabbath. ---- Jewish Calendar Postponement Rule Some say Jesus Christ was crucified on Wednesday afternoon. Thursday is the High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread. He was in the grave three full days (Thursday, Friday, Saturday) and was resurrected on Saturday/Sunday (John 20:1). Wednesday was the 4th day of the week and 4th millennium (4001 AM). If the pattern continues, Jesus Christ would Rapture the Church on late Friday afternoon (Jerusalem Time) or the 6th day and 6th millennium (~5994 AM). (Calendar rules gave us a September 2021 Trumpets and prohibits a Friday Rapture.) Then seven years later, the Second Coming would occur on Friday/Saturday or the 7th day and 7th millennium (6001 AM). As we celebrate this Feast of Trumpets, we watch for that Trumpets when we are raptured to heaven, our faith becomes sight and we see our beloved Jesus. Maybe this year in heaven? Robert Cook TrumpetsTXwww.21stcenturyrevelation.com
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Post by mike on Oct 7, 2021 8:47:46 GMT -6
I know many are hoping for this to happen, as am I. I long to be rid of this flesh, the world and its system. However, stretching the bible to fit our understanding is not the way we should place our hope. FoT was last month. If the calendar is off then its tonight...either way the Trumpet we are hoping to hear didnt happen last month and WILL NOT happen tonight. Why? Because the things the Lord told us to watch for before He comes havent occurred yet. I know this view isnt popular, but it must be strongly considered when each year great hope is set on this day or that, and each year the blessed hope doesnt come because the understanding of when is incorrect. Celebrate the feast for certain, but once again expect to be here Monday unless the Lord comes for whoever He sees fit individually
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 7, 2021 9:14:18 GMT -6
Feast of Trumpets, October 2021
According to the Jewish calendar, Trumpets 5782 AM is September 6-7, 2021 when the sun is between Leo and Virgo. The stars say Trumpets is October 7/8, 2021 when Virgo is clothed in the sun with the moon at her feet (Genesis 1:14, Revelation 12:1-2). A leap month should have been added in the spring of 2021 instead of 2022. A leap year occurs 7 times in the 19-year Metonic cycle, namely, in years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19 of the cycle. ---- Jewish Calendar Leap Months A leap year occurs 7 times in 19 years so a leap month of 30 days is added every 2 or 3 years. After comparing the calculated Jewish calendar 2000-2030 against the sky, leap years delay the leap month. When examining the sun with constellations using Stellarium (400-2021), the sun drifts backward about 23 days or 1 day every 70 years. This is caused by an axial precession or wobble of the earth. The 19-year cycle does not adjust for the drift but the observable calendar could keep months aligned to the constellations and the story of redemption. If Rosh Hashanah falls on a Sunday (1), Wednesday (4) or Friday (6), then it is postponed to the next day. This eliminates a High Sabbath next to the Sabbath. ---- Jewish Calendar Postponement Rule Some say Jesus Christ was crucified on Wednesday afternoon. Thursday is the High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread. He was in the grave three full days (Thursday, Friday, Saturday) and was resurrected on Saturday/Sunday (John 20:1). Wednesday was the 4th day of the week and 4th millennium (4001 AM). If the pattern continues, Jesus Christ would Rapture the Church on late Friday afternoon (Jerusalem Time) or the 6th day and 6th millennium (~5994 AM). (Calendar rules gave us a September 2021 Trumpets and prohibits a Friday Rapture.) Then seven years later, the Second Coming would occur on Friday/Saturday or the 7th day and 7th millennium (6001 AM). As we celebrate this Feast of Trumpets, we watch for that Trumpets when we are raptured to heaven, our faith becomes sight and we see our beloved Jesus. Maybe this year in heaven? Robert Cook TrumpetsTXwww.21stcenturyrevelation.com TrumpetsTX, You have a lot of excellent points, and it's very clear that you have done a lot of research. I agree with almost everything. You are spot on about the death of Christ. ;-) I'm uploading a big batch of sweet Tea and Pecan pie for my Southern watchman brother. However, the part about the Postponement rule - sorry, brother, but this is Jewish tradition, and not in scripture, and was added centuries later - after Christ died and was resurrected. I also love the perfect parallel and scriptural truth of Christ coming on the fourth day - 4th 1000 year day, and this also fits perfectly with scripture that says the sun appeared on the 4th day - in the creation week. A lot of watchmen - particularly those who understand the feasts as God's timeclock understand the point of how God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and what it means that He is Lord of the Sabbath, not Lord of the 1st day. [Not an iota of scripture anywhere that says Jesus rose on Sunday. They came while it was still dark, and he was already risen. Also, as proof of his Messiah-ship, Christ gave the sign of the Prophet Jonah, which is 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the great fish. Another important point, is that Mark Biltz makes is that many are shocked to learn that Daniel was actually Jewish. heheh. The 70 "Weeks" are 70 7-year Schmita cycles, and the reason it's important is that the 7th year or Schmita, is the Sabbath year, The Sabbath year is the schmita, in which the land is supposed to rest, and this year, (which just started in September, is the Schmita). The 7 year cycle begins next September at Rosh Hoshanah, Start of the civil year.
No one knows when the Jubilee year begins, but we know for sure, according to scripture, that the Jubilee year is also a set, predictable and repeating pattern - It's not just any random surprise year, but most importantly, the Jubilee year corresponds to the 1st year of the 7 year cycle. Christ started his ministry with a wedding, and he ends his ministry - age of the Gentiles, with the wedding of the Messiah at the Last trumpet. Christ started his ministry on a Jubilee year and ends his ministry - on a Jubilee year. Age of Grace - Church age started with the First Trumpet, - Pentecost, and will end at the Last Trumpet, according to Paul, who explicitly links the rapture and the resurrection. 1 Cor 15:14-17
While there is discussion about the exact timing of events and the sequence of these events, - there is almost complete agreement among watchmen, that we are on the cusp - seeing a huge convergence of signs - and like labor, these signs increase in frequency and intensity.
If The view is correct of Pre-wrath, then there will be some huge trigger event that starts the clock ticking -and we know this because we have an exact day count. 3 1/2 years or 1260 days. This also is the exact length, of the 2 witnesses, so if we are not raptured before the tribulation begins, just watch for the 2 fire-breathing Godzilla brothers dressed in sackcloth, and Tik-tok and Instagram and Twitter will meltdown, so it will also be a huge clue. ;-)
Blessings.
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Post by mike on Oct 7, 2021 9:52:19 GMT -6
disciple4life - just a thought. Havent delved into it at this point. Is it possible that the 2 witnesses and their 1260 days are not fully concurrent with the 42 months of the beast? for example they are killed by the beast and left in the streets for three days, but I dont see anyplace that definitively says the days are exactly parallel. Wild example - beast sits in the temple proclaiming to be god on 4/22/24 (Passover). 42 months later would be approximately 10/7/27. I say approx because 42 months could also possibly mean a portion of a month. Notice that when the time of 3.5 years is given its very specific when given regarding the faithful, and general to those who dwell on the earth (carnal, fleshly, non-believers) - sorry for the side bar So can the two witnesses start their ministry a day, week, month, months prior to 4/22/24? Is there any reason to think this couldnt happen this way?
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Post by boraddict on Oct 7, 2021 10:38:16 GMT -6
TrumpetsTX , the Passion Week is easy to calculate, and as disciple4life pointed out they came in the dark. Therefore, Jesus arose in the dark of the night as follows: Jesus was placed in the tomb prior to sundown and was in the tomb for three nights and three days. Since the saints came in the dark of the morning on Sunday and he was already out of the tomb, then he arose sometime after sundown on Saturday. That is, he arose after the Sabbath day of sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. So now working the night/day in reverse order: Sabbath day sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday is night/day 7 of the week and night/day 3 of Jesus' time in the tomb.sundown on Thursday to sundown on Friday is night/day 6 of the week and night/day 2 of Jesus' in the tombsundown on Wednesday to sundown on Thursday is night/day 5 of the week and night/day 1 of Jesus in the tomb.So now working the Passion Week forward we have at the beginning: Sabbath day, sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday; then, Nisan 10, Day 1 of the Passion Week that is sundown on Saturday to sundown on Sunday. This is the day of the Triumphal Entry. The Lamb is selected. Nisan 11, Day 2 of the Passion Week that is sundown on Sunday to sundown on Monday. This is the day of debate. The Lamb is inspected for blemish. Nisan 12, Day 3 of the Passion Week that is sundown on Monday to sundown on Tuesday. This is the day of the meal in the upper room and the conspiracy to murder the Savior Nisan 13, Day 4 of the Passion Week that is sundown on Tuesday to sundown on Wednesday. Jesus was tortured through this night and day and put into the tomb before sundown. Nisan 14, Day 5 of the Passion Week that is sundown on Wednesday to sundown on Thursday. This is the first night/day that Jesus is in the tomb. This is probably the high day as referenced in TrumpetsTX 's previous posting. Passover Day 6 of the Passion Week that is sundown on Thursday to sundown on Friday. This is the second night/day that Jesus is in the tomb.Day 7 of the Passion Week that is sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. This is the third night/day that Jesus is in the tomb and this is the Sabbath day.Day 1 of the following week, after the Sabbath night/day had passed, and the sun had set, Jesus arose from the tomb during the nighttime and the saints came to see him that following Sunday morning. Post Script: disciple4life mentioned the following which I am including in this posting above: "So many people - especially pastors miss the huge significance of Nisan 10 - the Lamb being selected . 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th - Passover. Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday- Passover. "
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 7, 2021 11:17:28 GMT -6
TrumpetsTX , the Passion Week is easy to calculate, and as disciple4life pointed out they came in the dark. Therefore, Jesus arose in the dark of the night as follows: Jesus was placed in the tomb prior to sundown and was in the tomb for three nights and three days. Since the saints came in the dark of the morning on Sunday and he was already out of the tomb, then he arose sometime after sundown on Saturday. That is, he arose after the Sabbath day of sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. So now working the night/day in reverse order: Sabbath day sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday is night/day 7 of the week and night/day 3 of Jesus' time in the tomb.sundown on Thursday to sundown on Friday is night/day 6 of the week and night/day 2 of Jesus' in the tombsundown on Wednesday to sundown on Thursday is night/day 5 of the week and night/day 1 of Jesus in the tomb.So now working the Passion Week forward we have at the beginning: Sabbath day, sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday; then, Day 1 of the Passion Week that is sundown on Saturday to sundown on Sunday. This is the day of the Triumphal Entry Day 2 of the Passion Week that is sundown on Sunday to sundown on Monday. This is the day of debate Day 3 of the Passion Week that is sundown on Monday to sundown on Tuesday. This is the day of the meal in the upper room and the conspiracy to murder the Savior Day 4 of the Passion Week that is sundown on Tuesday to sundown on Wednesday. Jesus was tortured through this night and day and put into the tomb before sundown. Day 5 of the Passion Week that is sundown on Wednesday to sundown on Thursday. This is the first night/day that Jesus is in the tomb. This is probably the high day as referenced in TrumpetsTX 's previous posting.Day 6 of the Passion Week that is sundown on Thursday to sundown on Friday. This is the second night/day that Jesus is in the tomb.Day 7 of the Passion Week that is sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. This is the third night/day that Jesus is in the tomb and this is the Sabbath day.Day 1 of the following week, after the Sabbath night/day had passed, and the sun had set, Jesus arose from the tomb during the nighttime and the saints came to see him that following Sunday morning. boraddict . You knocked it out of the park with this one, Bora. So many people - especially pastors miss the huge significance of Nisan 10 - the Lamb being selected . 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th - Passover. Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday- Passover. IMHO, there are two huge "mic drops" that make all the pieces fit, and only when we look at scripture with the historical and cultural Hebrew world view, and not through the centuries old Ant-semitic Catholic world view, who neither understood Hebrew culture or Sabbaths. The word in Hebrew is Shabbat, which is the root and even very close to the actual word in many languages today. *** But the big thing they didn't understand, is that in Hebrew, all feasts are Shabbat, - (So 7 feasts, and weekly Shabbat = 8 Shabbats) All feasts are shabbat, but not all feasts are High Shabbat in which no work is permitted, not even cooking. Passover - Shabbat, Unleavened Bread- High Shabbat, first-fruits- Shabbat, Shavuot/ Pentecost - Shabbat, Yom Teruah/ Feast of Trumpets- Shabbat, Yom Kippur/Day of Atonement - High Shabbat, Sukkot/Feast of Booths - Shabbat, and Weekly Shabbat. Passover is a Shabbat, but not a high sabbath, and is the preparation day for Unleavened bread. Catholic translators and 38 million pastors read "day of preparation" and extrapolate that to mean Friday, - the day before weekly sabbath. The women bought spices "After the sabbath". This is impossible for them to go buy spices after the Weekly Shabbat. - this would be after dark, on Saturday night, and it was dangerous for women to travel alone at night, and the only light besides the moon was candles/ torches. They rested on Unleavened bread - High Shabbat (Thursday) then bought spices Friday "after the sabbath" of Unleavened bread, then rested on the weekly sabbath (Friday sundown to Saturday night We also see this confirmed in Matthew 29, where the passage actually used the plural form - "After the sabbaths" The other huge mic drop, is that we see three cases in scripture where someone is dead and buried for at least 3 days and 3 nights. **Three. Hmmm. In the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses, every word will be established. This is significant, because according to Jewish burial ritual - the spirit lingers near the body for 3 days, meaning they are in a coma, and not truly dead, and thus resurrection is possible. After 3 days and 3 nights, - the spirit no longer lingers - and departs and thus- they are truly - absolutely dead, and this would mean resurrection can only be a miracle of God. Hmmmmm. Mind-blown. We see this in Jesus, - Sign of Jonah - which is a picture of Christ, and Jonah said he cried out in Sheol, the grave. Lazarus - in the grave 4 days, and the 2 witnesses, who are dead and their bodies lie in the street 3 and a half days. It's also interesting that it's widely believed by many that these 2 witnesses will be Enoch and Elijah, Gentile and Jew both of who were raptured. In addition, i also consulted multiple rabbis, and the uninimous answer, (as every 2nd year Seminary student knows) clear passages always trump, or take precedent over unclear passages, and so the explicitly clear passages of three days and three nights by Christ and the sign of Jonah, which he quoted, take precedent over the unclear passages of 3 days. Jewish inclusive reckoning of counting any part of a day as a day does not apply in these passages. ;-)
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 7, 2021 13:59:16 GMT -6
disciple4life - just a thought. Havent delved into it at this point. Is it possible that the 2 witnesses and their 1260 days are not fully concurrent with the 42 months of the beast? for example they are killed by the beast and left in the streets for three days, but I dont see anyplace that definitively says the days are exactly parallel. Wild example - beast sits in the temple proclaiming to be god on 4/22/24 (Passover). 42 months later would be approximately 10/7/27. I say approx because 42 months could also possibly mean a portion of a month. Notice that when the time of 3.5 years is given its very specific when given regarding the faithful, and general to those who dwell on the earth (carnal, fleshly, non-believers) - sorry for the side bar So can the two witnesses start their ministry a day, week, month, months prior to 4/22/24? Is there any reason to think this couldnt happen this way? mike . Is it possible ? ? I guess it's possible. It's not something I'm really set on or dogmatic as if the case is closed, but here's my take - I think you would agree that the 4 specific day counts we have in Daniel and Revelation are not arbitrary, nor are they random - 1260, 1290 , 2550 and 1335. The 1260 days are 3 1/2 years, and we are told specifically that the Covenant with many is for 1 Prophetic "week" = 7 years, and when we add the 1260 days +1290 days, then we get the 2550 number exactly. As we have seen, these numbers fall on Feast days, and 1335 when added to the mid point ends up on Hannukah. In other words, this is exactly what we should expect, based on the pattern of scripture and what Paul tells us, and Zechariah 14 - about how the end times are tied to the feasts. So to me, the 1260 days of the 2 witnesses - happens to be the exact same number as the first half, and it also fits the image of Christ being cut off in the middle of the week - Dual fulfillment but also- when we see it perfectly fits the exact number that Daniel gave us for the 1260 days/ 3 1/2 years, then to go away from the plain and obvious match, and take it to mean that it is NOT concurrent - or that their ministry of 1260 days just starts 7 months later, or 221 days later, or 43 days later, seems a huge stretch when we don't even have a hint from scripture that this is the case - and to me - that is eisegesis - reading into the text something that is not there. I do understand that we are not told explicitly that the 1260 days ministry corresponds to the first half, but we do have the obvious match, which is very telling. I don't feel strongly about it - but to me, it's just part of the perfect precision that we should expect to find, when we see the Feasts as God's timeclock and that nothing is random or by chance , and that they are a shadow of the things to come. --- But with that said - i can respect how others might see that they overlap - or that it's not concurrent - but I would be curious to know what they use as a basis for the view that the ministry starts - say 65 days in, or 7 months and 12 days.
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Post by boraddict on Oct 7, 2021 19:38:11 GMT -6
disciple4life , thank you and I am going back to my previous posting to include the dates that you have stipulated. Please check my work on my previous posting to insure that I have inserted the dates correctly.
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TrumpetsTX
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Author, 21st Century Revelation: World Wars, Iraq War & End Wars
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Favorite Verse: Philippians 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Post by TrumpetsTX on Oct 7, 2021 22:16:59 GMT -6
mike
I know many are hoping for this to happen, as am I. I long to be rid of this flesh, the world and its system. However, stretching the bible to fit our understanding is not the way we should place our hope. FoT was last month. If the calendar is off then its tonight...either way the Trumpet we are hoping to hear didnt happen last month and WILL NOT happen tonight. Why?
Because the things the Lord told us to watch for before He comes havent occurred yet. I know this view isnt popular, but it must be strongly considered when each year great hope is set on this day or that, and each year the blessed hope doesnt come because the understanding of when is incorrect. Celebrate the feast for certain, but once again expect to be here Monday unless the Lord comes for whoever He sees fit individually IMPORTANT: SETTING A DATE FOR THE RAPTURE IS NOT THE POINT. Just get ready if Jesus Christ does come this season, this year.
Since God gave Moses the feast days, Israel was commanded to celebrate seven feasts every year for the last 3500 years. During Passover, they did what was required by the law as Jesus, the Passover lamb, was on the cross (1 Corinthians 5:7). The religious leadership failed to understand Scripture and watch for their promised Messiah and they fulfilled prophecy (John 11:49-51). If the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand (Ezekiel 33:6). Today, we are required to celebrate communion until Jesus comes (1 Corinthians 11:26). Then we are commanded to watch for His return until He comes (Revelation 3:3). The point is not to pick a date but to be ready and encourage the Church to wake up and every year watch. We see signs fulfilled and are about to see Him return. Our faith is not in a date but God that gave us His Word, the Holy Spirit to teach us all things and the Church body to minister. Since the Feast of Trumpets is the day of the Rapture, we as students of the Word, study, watch and encourage until He comes. Finally, our faith becomes sight when we see Jesus. You, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. You are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also you do (1 Thessalonians 5:4-6, 11). I am greatly encouraged that each year, more Christians are awake and watching. Robert Cook
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TrumpetsTX
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Favorite Verse: Philippians 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Post by TrumpetsTX on Oct 7, 2021 22:28:12 GMT -6
disciple4life and boraddict
Good to hear we believe in Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord AND we understand Jesus died on the 4th day. _____ disciple4life
TrumpetsTX, You have a lot of excellent points, and it's very clear that you have done a lot of research. I agree with almost everything.
You are spot on about the death of Christ. ;-)
However, the part about the Postponement rule - sorry, brother, but this is Jewish tradition, and not in scripture, and was added centuries later - after Christ died and was resurrected.
There are three calendars. The civil calendar started at creation in the months of Tishri (beginnings) (Genesis 1:1, 14) that sets time by observing the sun, moon and stars each month. God gave Moses the religious calendar that starts on with Nisan (Exodus 12:2). After the Jewish-Roman wars and persecution, the 19-year calculated calendar was implemented which is still used today. The 19-year calendar is a non-biblical secondary source. The calendar states that Trumpets 5782 occurs on September 6-7, 2021. However, the calendar is short by about 210 years, 1 month and 1 day. The postponement rule is wrong since the Rapture would occur the day before Trumpets on the calendar. Since Jesus gave us redemption on the 4th day on the 4th millennium, the Rapture might occur two “days” later on the 6th day, 6th millennium (~5994) (Hosea 6:1-2, Isaiah 26:18-19, 20-21). See discussion 21st Century Revelation View – Part 1 – Bible Prophecy: 7 Days, 7000 YearsRobert Cook TrumpetsTX www.21stcenturyrevelation.com
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TrumpetsTX
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Author, 21st Century Revelation: World Wars, Iraq War & End Wars
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Favorite Verse: Philippians 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Post by TrumpetsTX on Oct 7, 2021 22:47:52 GMT -6
mike
disciple4life - just a thought. Havent delved into it at this point. Is it possible that the 2 witnesses and their 1260 days are not fully concurrent with the 42 months of the beast?
disciple4life So amazing that God is so precise with His plan of 1260, 1290 and 1335 days which reflects the character and nature of God. mike There are two thoughts of when the two witnesses minister. The first half of the Tribulation, Antichrist confirms the covenant and Israel build their temple in Jerusalem. This is a mostly peaceful time in Israel when people live in safety and can be persuaded to follow God. If the two witnesses minister during the first half, that would start on the 10th of Tishri (Atonement) and end on the 10th of Nisan (Lamb Chosen). The Antichrist has his coronation as leader and sits in the Jerusalem temple (2 Thessalonians 2:3-5). Those in Judea must flee (Matthew 24:15-16). The two witnesses crash the party. They are killed on the 14th of Nisan (Passover) and resurrected on 18th of Nisan (Resurrection). World War III (China) ends (Revelation 9:15-16; 11:14). The Second half of the Tribulation, Antichrist has taken power and no one can buy or sell unless they have the mark. It is a time of war as Russia and radical Islam (Iran, Libya, Turkey) attack Israel usurping Antichrist’s power (Ezekiel 38:8, 11-12). People in Israel are more concerned with physical survival. Then the armies meet at Armageddon (Revelation 16:16). The war ends the 10th of Tishri (Atonement) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. It would be difficult to have the two witnesses minister during the reign of the Antichrist. Robert Cook TrumpetsTX www.21stcenturyrevelation.com
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 8, 2021 8:01:08 GMT -6
There are three calendars. The civil calendar started at creation in the months of Tishri (beginnings) (Genesis 1:1, 14) that sets time by observing the sun, moon and stars each month. God gave Moses the religious calendar that starts on with Nisan (Exodus 12:2). After the Jewish-Roman wars and persecution, the 19-year calculated calendar was implemented which is still used today. The 19-year calendar is a non-biblical secondary source. The calendar states that Trumpets 5782 occurs on September 6-7, 2021. However, the calendar is short by about 210 years, 1 month and 1 day. The postponement rule is wrong since the Rapture would occur the day before Trumpets on the calendar. ? ? Could you clarify Robert? Maybe explain this differently? Since Jesus gave us redemption on the 4th day on the 4th millennium, the Rapture might occur two “days” later on the 6th day, 6th millennium (~5994) (Hosea 6:1-2, Isaiah 26:18-19, 20-21). TrumpetsTX , mike , disciple4life , boraddict , sog , inaweofhim , Natalie , TrumpetsTX , Just a few things, Robert. I enjoy your posts and your points, but it's hard for me and others to follow sometimes, because it's not clear what is a quote and what it a reply, and who said what. The easiest way is to just click on the quote button in the upper right corner. ***This does not work with the "quick reply". If you click the quote - then it takes the entire post of that person, like mike , or myself. Then, go through and delete out the parts that you don't want to quote. Then, you have to start your reply or comment just immediately below the quote box, in the same post. You can also highlight a phrase or sentence and click the "insert quote" symbol - the third from the left in the tools bar that shows up on each post. It automatically puts that phrase or sentence in it's own box. ;-) I know that there is a way to put multiple quote boxes in the same thread - and i don't know how to do that, but another way is if you take the take the entire part you cut and pasted and just make that in a different color j ust like you did the red., and Put that person's name in the beginning. Susie said "The 2 witnesses are still living" ;-) That way it's clear that this is someone else's words, not yours. The other thing is to simply click the @ key before someone's name and it shows up on their notifications, but it also makes it more clear that you are addressing them, not a quote from them. ------------------- TrumpetsTX , So, the first thing is about the 3rd calendar. This is not a 3rd Calendar - in the sense that there are 2 other well-known and recognized Civil and Religious calendar. - [Civil calendar is used for civil and government events, and starts on Tishrei 1, and was used for the Coronation of Kings, and the Religious calendar was given by God in Exod 12 and sets the First Month of Nisan in the Spring. Nothing in scripture about the equinox.] In other words, it's extra rules added by Rabbinic Tradition, and it includes the Metonic cycle, which is the system of adding extra leap months 7 times at specific intervals over 19 years. To be more clear, it doesn't have another New Year, or another season to start from, and it basically adds special "logistical" rules to the feasts that God ordained, but the rabbis made some rules so that the Feasts are moved so that they won't fall on certain days, so that other High Sabbaths like Day of Atonement doesn't fall on a certain day. (The equivalent on our system is that some Federal holidays occasionally land on a Friday, so they are postponed to be observed on the following Monday. Also, the Federal Presidential Election was set to always be on a Tuesday because it was made to allow for travel in the days before airlines and cars). It still recognizes and incorporates the main 7 Feasts from Leviticus 23, plus Purim an Hannukah which were already in practice in Christ's time. lastly - I understand the part about the Lord being crucified on the 4th day [And I totally agree, because of all the scripture] and i agree that this is the mirror of the creation week, and the sun coming on the 4th day, and this is the picture of the Son of God coming in the 4th "1000 year day". I don't get the part about how this makes the rapture on the 6th day. ? Are you referring to our 6th millennial day - of which we are almost at the very end. ?? Disciple4life
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 8, 2021 9:13:58 GMT -6
disciple4life So amazing that God is so precise with His plan of 1260, 1290 and 1335 days which reflects the character and nature of God. Agreed, Robert. It also really underscores the Feasts as Rehearsals - "Shadows of things to come" and that they are God's Divine, prophetic Timeclock, and give us great insight to understanding end times. D4L mike There are two thoughts of when the two witnesses minister. The first half of the Tribulation, Antichrist confirms the covenant and Israel build their temple in Jerusalem. This is a mostly peaceful time in Israel when people live in safety and can be persuaded to follow God. If the two witnesses minister during the first half, that would start on the 10th of Tishri (Atonement) and end on the 10th of Nisan (Lamb Chosen). The Antichrist has his coronation as leader and sits in the Jerusalem temple (2 Thessalonians 2:3-5). Those in Judea must flee (Matthew 24:15-16). The two witnesses crash the party. They are killed on the 14th of Nisan (Passover) and resurrected on 18th of Nisan (Resurrection). World War III (China) ends (Revelation 9:15-16; 11:14). The Second half of the Tribulation, Antichrist has taken power and no one can buy or sell unless they have the mark. It is a time of war as Russia and radical Islam (Iran, Libya, Turkey) attack Israel usurping Antichrist’s power (Ezekiel 38:8, 11-12). People in Israel are more concerned with physical survival. Then the armies meet at Armageddon (Revelation 16:16). The war ends the 10th of Tishri (Atonement) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. It would be difficult to have the two witnesses minister during the reign of the Antichrist. Robert Cook TrumpetsTX www.21stcenturyrevelation.com TrumpetsTX, some very good points, Robert. While I totally agree with several points - It would be difficult to have the two witnesses minister during the reign of the AC - and the first half is "peaceful" compared to the 2nd half , 2nd half people in Israel are more concerned with physical survival, -- I am puzzled by this part. " If the two witnesses minister during the first half, that would start on the 10th of Tishri (Atonement) and end on the 10th of Nisan (Lamb Chosen)." ?
What is this based on? It as much guessing and conjecture that their ministry would start on the 10th of Tishri, as it is to think it would start on April 1 or Halloween, or any random month or day. This is like what i was saying to @cappuccinomike. It's possible that the 1260 days is not concurrent - starts 5 months later, or 68 days later - but the same issue applies. It's reading something into the text that is not even hinted at. It's OK for someone to think Martin Luther or Mother Teresa are the 2 witnesses but it's really Eisegesis.
To put it another way - it's almost universally understood that the Dragon is often seen and understood as a symbol for China, and it's one of the animals on their calendar, but when we look at the whole counsel of scripture, the dragon is referring to Satan, not China. While China undoubtedly has a role in the end times, we can't/ shouldn't automatically assume that a reference in Revelation to a dragon is China.
I and others feel that there are some solid reasons to believe that there may be some small gap between the rapture and the start of the tribulation, - a week, a month, from the political and economic and logistical perspective, it's eisegesis to read this/ assume it when it's not in the text.
Since I share your views on the Feast of Trumpets/ Rapture connection I would really love to hear your thoughts behind this.
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Post by rondonmonson on Nov 20, 2021 13:01:56 GMT -6
disciple4life - just a thought. Havent delved into it at this point. Is it possible that the 2 witnesses and their 1260 days are not fully concurrent with the 42 months of the beast? for example they are killed by the beast and left in the streets for three days, but I dont see anyplace that definitively says the days are exactly parallel. Wild example - beast sits in the temple proclaiming to be god on 4/22/24 (Passover). 42 months later would be approximately 10/7/27. I say approx because 42 months could also possibly mean a portion of a month. Notice that when the time of 3.5 years is given its very specific when given regarding the faithful, and general to those who dwell on the earth (carnal, fleshly, non-believers) - sorry for the side bar So can the two witnesses start their ministry a day, week, month, months prior to 4/22/24? Is there any reason to think this couldnt happen this way? Hello Mike, good thought here. The bible actually shows us that the Two-witnesses and the Beasts time are not parallel. The two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe, the Beast will die at the 2nd Coming at the 7th Vial. Since we know its the Two-witnesses who get Israel to repent (Malachi 4:5-6) then they have to show up before the A.C. becomes the Beast at the 1260 point, so the Jews who repent will understand what they need to do (Flee Judea). As per all the days months etc. trying to find the exact day, is the calendar still correct. We all know God knows these things, so by looking we can see Jesus died at exactly 9:00 AM the time when they slaughtered the innocent lambs for recompence of sins. We know he was without sin and was the first-fruits of the grave. We know we are in the Church Age Harvest and that the Trumpet Feast always ended the Harvest. The New Moon was required before the Trumps could be blown and the New Moon always came over a 2 day period, hence the day and hour was never a known entity, hence they had to send out two witnesses to watch for the New Moon. It gets very detailed, but I personally don't get bogged down in the details/dates/calendar debates etc. I am just looking for THE SEASON, that is good enough for me. So, I think the Season of the Rapture will be the Fall, thus I look for a cataclysmic event 3.5 years into the future of when that possible fall rapture will happen, as Rev. 8 says a Mountain cast into the sea (Asteroid event). So, in my personal opinion, the Fall of 2025 will be a great possible Season for the Rapture because the April 13, 2029 Apophis Asteroid is scheduled to fly within 19,000 miles of the earth. I don't try to overanalyze these things, we will be taken when Gods sees fit, but all the signs are converging, the Plagues, race against race (ethos vs. ethos, it doesn't say nations), Wars, the ability to track people with meta data and their phones, these forced shots etc. all. The world is becoming Authoritarian in nature. The A.C.'s path is being made straight.
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Post by venge on Nov 20, 2021 16:21:25 GMT -6
That's one opinion. Another that many agree on, the Bible actually shows us the 2 witnesses and the beast are parallel.
That's one opinion. Another is that the 2 witnesses get the unsaved to repent. And that they do not begin their preaching till all God's people are sealed - leaving 3.5 years left.
Asteroid comes from the koine Greek word for "aster" or "star". Its not direct, but has a relation based upon that word. Whereas "oros" is the mountain. If anyone is going to take the text literally, it is a mountain. --A mountain that falls into the sea and kills no one. No one in the sea, no one one land, no Tsunamis. The only thing that dies in the sea is "ktisma", the sea creatures. Enough of them (though only 1/3rd) to somehow bloody the sea....
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