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Post by Natalie on Aug 9, 2020 17:26:04 GMT -6
Back several months ago, I did a study on Jesus in the Old Testament going through teachings done by Mike Winger. His videos are around 45 min to an hour and worth watching, but I thought that sharing a more concise study might be beneficial. I love this stuff! God has woven so much truth about Himself throughout Scripture.
I am not planning on going video by video, but I thought I'd bring up some of the types - specifically some of those that were new to me.
Sometimes Jesus is clear in the OT. Appearances of the Angel of the LORD for example. Sometimes He is shown by a type. The point was made that typology like this should bring in no new theology. We start with what is revealed in the New Testament and then can look for it in the Old. For example, Jesus uses Jonah to point to something about Himself. We are told that Adam "was a type of the One who was to come." (Rom 5:14) Hebrews is a great book that shows types of Jesus. BUT the type is always less than perfect because Jesus is the perfect. He is a better High Priest, a better covenant, a better Sacrifice, greater than Moses, etc. Sometimes we must ask "How are they alike?" and sometimes it is "How are they different?" (Adam brought condemnation; Jesus brings salvation)
Jesus says, "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about Me." (John 5:39) and also Luke 24:27 "And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself."
I finally understood Rev 19:10 "For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Jesus in the Old Testament was the Author's intent. All the types were prophecy testifying to the coming of Jesus.
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Post by mike on Aug 10, 2020 7:19:30 GMT -6
Awesome Natalie and worth sharing. The article SoCal posted in this thread about the illustration of Jonah/Israel and the Ninevites/chruch. The gourd, the scarlet worm (that in itself is fascinating), the booth - fascinating.
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Post by Natalie on Aug 10, 2020 7:43:05 GMT -6
I will have to go back and read the link he posted; I think I missed it the first time.
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 10, 2020 9:35:58 GMT -6
Good stuff Nat! Gunna be busy watching videos I see.
Here's one I just found/watched. 7000 year timeline theory. I thought it was compelling.
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Post by Natalie on Aug 10, 2020 11:39:47 GMT -6
I hope they bless you, uscgvet, I will check out that video when I get some time later today.
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 10, 2020 11:43:19 GMT -6
I hope they bless you, uscgvet , I will check out that video when I get some time later today. Into the 5th video so far. Yes, big blessing! Subscribed. watching at 2x speed
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Post by Natalie on Aug 10, 2020 14:11:35 GMT -6
Glad you are enjoying them. I really enjoyed his teachings through Romans also.
Edit: forgot to say that I found the video that you posted interesting. Thanks for sharing it!
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Post by Natalie on Aug 10, 2020 14:26:43 GMT -6
One of the types I had never heard discussed before was Adam. But it's right there in Romans 5:14 Adam "who was a type of the One who was to come." But sometimes types are like Jesus and sometimes they are a contrast. That's usually how Adam is looked at...the first Adam who was flesh and brought sin to mankind whereas Jesus is the last Adam who brings the spirit and life. But there is a lot more.
The contrasts are as follows:
Romans 5:12-21 One man's sin is passed to all, but one Man's righteousness is available to all
1 Cor 15:45-49 Adam is the natural, the man from dust but Jesus is spiritual, the Man from above
Heb 1:3 Adam is made in the image of God; Jesus is the image of God “the exact imprint of His nature" (Col 1:15)
Similarities (but remembering that Jesus is always better):
Gen 1:26 Adam has (earthly) dominion (but it was damaged by sin) Eph 1:20 Jesus has perfect dominion over all things Phil 2:10
Adam told to be fruitful and multiply, to fill the earth Rom 8:16-17 (John 1:12) Those who become children of God is how Jesus fills the earth
Eph 5:22-33 marriage, first given to Adam and Eve, was to be a picture of Jesus and the church
I thought the following was really cool and a connection I probably would not have made. But using what Ephesians says about what marriage represents, if we consider the first man and woman and their relationship and consider Christ, the church, and their relationship, there is a pretty neat picture.
Looking at Gen 2:18-25 There was not a suitable helper for Adam, so he was caused to go into a deep sleep (like death), she was created from him, and he was wounded for that to take place, they were then joined as one in marriage, they were naked (vulnerable, accepted as they are) and unashamed
In comparison, there was no suitable bride for the Messiah, so He died in order for one to be created, He was wounded and still bears the scars, and He and the Bride are joined spiritually (for example Rev 19:7, 1 Cor 6:15-17) , the Bride is also accepted and unashamed (Eph 5:26, Rom 8:1)
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Post by Natalie on Aug 11, 2020 9:44:16 GMT -6
Briefly – videos 3, 4, and 5 (Guess I am kind of going through each just not in great detail) I had studied all of these before. If anyone wants more details, please let me know. I will happily expand any of these. Video three is the connection between Jesus and the bronze serpent. Personally I find this one pretty straight forward, but if anyone needs clarification on anything let me know. John 3:14 and Numbers 21:8-9 are the main passages. He does mention the two different ways the word for "lifted up" is used. Sometimes it is a physical lifting up and sometimes it means to exalt. Isaiah 52:13 the Servant is both lifted up and exalted (and then we move into Isaiah 53 which is the crucifixion) Video 4 is about the Angel of the LORD. I've studied that one before, and I think it's a pretty common topic for anyone studying Jesus in the OT. For a short summary - the Angel of the LORD acts like God, speaks like God, equates Himself to God, allows worship of Himself. He's not an ordinary angel. If anyone wants Scripture verses, let me know. Video 5 was on Christophanies – where is Christ Himself in the OT (not as just a type or picture) John 12:37 which quotes Is 53:1 and 6:10. John mentions that Isaiah saw Jesus's glory. Read Isaiah 6:1-10 to see what Isaiah saw. Gen 3:8 They heard the sound of Him walking and Adam hid. Gen 18:1-19:4; Amos 4:11 Appeared to Abraham Gen 32:24+; Hos 12:3-4 Jacob wrested with Him Josh 5:13-6:2 He appears to Joshua outside Jericho Daniel 3:19+ (not a clear Christophany but very likely based on all other OT evidence) I liked the point he made – Jesus is the safe way for us to see God when it says that no one can see God and live. I won't post any more new stuff on this series until probably this weekend. But if someone wants more information on these three, please ask.
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 11, 2020 10:16:57 GMT -6
Video 7 was good.
Video 5 he spends like 5 minutes incorrectly mistranslating "God". No idea why he thought it was "gods". I checked both the corrupt Alexandrian and correct Texus Receptus. Both say God. LOL. Stick with the KJV.
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Post by Natalie on Aug 11, 2020 11:07:18 GMT -6
The fiery furnace passage? Just using Blue Letter Bible, looks like the book of Daniel uses the same word to mean God, god, or gods. Looking at the list of translations, it seems there isn't really an agreement on which to use. Using a different interlinear I see that the Hebrew word is elohim which is used as singular or plural throughout the OT, and I don't know Hebrew to know when to use which (other than context). So maybe some translators, understanding Nebuchadnezzar to be a pagan who worships many gods, translate it as "gods" whereas others knowing it is the Son of God translate it that way? It would be easier if it was YHWH. Then we would know for sure But I do believe it to be Jesus in the furnace with them.
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Post by Natalie on Aug 15, 2020 14:33:35 GMT -6
Video 6 is about Melchizedek -- I may come back to this one later. What I found really interesting doesn't really have anything to do with Messiah. It is that he was a priest of the Most High God. He wasn't a pagan. I guess I had always had this idea that only the Jews worshiped the true God. But that's not the case. After Babel, everyone took the knowledge of the true God with them when they scattered, but not everyone held onto that knowledge. Mike (Winger) mentioned a book in another video called "Eternity in Their Hearts" (by Don Richardson). It's about people throughout the world that worshiped the True God. (Many who then gladly embraced Jesus as savior when missionaries went to them) I found it interesting.
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Post by Natalie on Aug 15, 2020 14:44:17 GMT -6
Video 7 - This post is going to be long. Sometimes my notes are brief and sometimes longer. Just going to the various passages should give clarity. As uscgvet said, this was a good one. If you have time for one, listen to this one. He gives tips and such on having a balanced view of typology. Don't be reckless but don't avoid it totally either. There are types clearly shown in the NT (which he then goes through), but sometimes they aren't (for example Abraham's almost sacrifice of Isaac - clearly a picture a Jesus) John 1:51 Angels ascending and descending Gen 28:12 “Jacob's ladder” --> Jesus is the access point between heaven and earth Heb 3:1+ Compared to Moses (probably a study in itself) 1 Peter 3:20+ Christ saves us as the ark saved Noah and family John 6:32 Manna --> true and living bread I enjoyed the explanation of this one: 1 Cor 10:4 the rock in the wilderness Ex 17:6 Moses strikes the rock for water -- Num 20:11 he strikes it twice (but he was supposed to speak to the rock – why such a big deal? Because the rock is Christ who was struck once and then after we can just come speak to Him) Jonah – Matthew 12:39+ the sign of Jonah (The book of Jonah is a deliberate story meant to convey something about Jesus) Jesus specifically relates Himself to the 3 days and 3 nights Jonah was in the fish. What if we went to the text and read about Jonah's time in the fish? Jonah 2:1+ Jonah's prayer (I am going to make a separate post on Jonah's prayer) I like the idea he used that when an author knows the whole story they embed things throughout the book as clues. That's the book of Jonah. Reading through the OT, there is nothing particularly pointing to the Messiah, but then Jesus makes His comment about Jonah and we see why God included the story in the OT. I liked this one also as I had not looked at Ps 118 in this way: 1 Peter 2:7+ the Cornerstone (Ps 118;22+) You will want to look up and read Psalm 118 -- the people crying Hosanna, but Cornerstone rejected, bind the sacrifice to the altar (it's Palm Sunday and the Crucifixion) but it was the day the Lord has made, rejoice and be glad in it David – Ezekiel 37:24 (less certain example) Temple – John 2:18+ , John 1:14 Jesus “tabernacled” among us, Ex 29:43 God is meeting with His people at the tent of meeting to dwell among them; Heb 10:19-20 the curtain that is His flesh Passover 1 Cor 5:7 Christ our Passover Lamb John 1:29 Heb 13:11-12 the sin offering, specifically the Day of Atonement – blood on the altar, body outside Heb 9:23+ Jesus is a better sacrifice (and only needed once) Col 2:16-17 the Sabbath Heb 4:1+ Jesus is our rest (Matthew 11:28-30 come to Me all who are weary...) Luke 4:24 + Elijah and Elisha both received by the Gentiles (a pattern – Acts 7 Moses rejected by his people and then accepted by Gentiles but received the second time he came, Joseph rejected by his brothers, accepted by Egypt, but received by his brothers the second time)
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Post by Natalie on Aug 15, 2020 15:02:36 GMT -6
Jonah's prayer - just something to consider. I see it as kind of like things in the book of Psalms - little glimpses of similarities, of foreshadowing
2:1 Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the belly of the fish,
2 saying, “I called out to the Lord, out of my distress, and he answered me; out of the belly of Sheol I cried, (the Grave) and you heard my voice. 3 For you cast me into the deep, into the heart of the seas, and the flood surrounded me; all your waves and your billows (all our sins were laid on Him) passed over me. 4 Then I said, ‘I am driven away from your sight; (Psalm 22)yet I shall again look upon your holy temple.’ 5 The waters closed in over me to take my life; the deep surrounded me; weeds were wrapped about my head (like a crown of thorns?)6 at the roots of the mountains. I went down to the land whose bars closed upon me forever; yet you brought up my life from the pit, (from death to life) O Lord my God. 7 When my life was fainting away, I remembered the Lord, and my prayer came to you, into your holy temple. (Luke 23:46?)8 Those who pay regard to vain idols forsake their hope of steadfast love. 9 But I with the voice of thanksgiving will sacrifice to you; (Jesus was the sacrifice)what I have vowed I will pay. (what He promised He would do) Salvation belongs to the Lord!” (Yeshua means Salvation or YHWH is Salvation)
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Post by Natalie on Aug 18, 2020 17:24:33 GMT -6
Trying to put a few days between posts if anyone wants to look up the Scriptures. Sometimes there is a lot of Scripture.
Video 8 was on Joseph. His story runs from Genesis 37 through 50 (minus the one chapter on Tamar).
I didn't rewatch this one, so I will just post the notes I took the first time.
Chapter 37 - Joseph leaves his father to see how the shepherds (his brothers) were doing with the flock - Jesus goes from His Father to see how Israel's leaders and Israel are (Ezekiel 34:2, Matthew 23, John 10:16)
Judah comes up with the plan to sell Joseph --> Judas sells Jesus
Chapter 39 -- both were tempted and resisted (although Joseph is never portrayed as sinless). Joseph takes the punishment for what the woman did.
Chapter 40 -- Joseph is in prison with two men. One was restored and one remained condemned. Jesus was crucified between two men - one believed and the other remained condemned.
Chapter 41 -- Joseph left his fathers house, became a servant/slave, and then was exalted to Pharaoh's right hand. Jesus left His Father, became a servant/slave (Phil 2:5-11), was exalted to the right hand of the Father. Joseph takes a Gentile bride.
Chapter 42 -- Joseph rules and reigns over the Gentiles before being recognized by his own. He provides for his brothers even though they had mistreated him and not recognized him. God has preserved the Jewish people to this day and even blessed them abundantly even though they rejected Jesus.
Chapter 45 -- Israel will eventually recognize Jesus and be restored
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