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Post by Natalie on Oct 21, 2019 13:55:25 GMT -6
In order to have the correct gospel, we must have the correct Christ.
So, what does the Bible teach us about who Jesus is? (This is just a start; feel free to add to this) He is God:John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (reading all of John 1 we see in context that Jesus equals “the Word”) Colossians 1:19 For in Him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell. Colossians 2:9 For in Him the whole fullness of the deity dwells bodily. John 20:28 “Thomas answered Him, “My Lord and my God.” (Jesus doesn’t correct him)
Titus 2:13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
God the Father calls Him God:Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore, God, your God has anointed You with the oil of gladness beyond Your companions. He made everything:John 1:3 All things are made through Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made. Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities – all things were created through Him and for Him. He became a human:John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Colossians 2:9 For in Him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.
He is eternal, not created:Micah 5:2 “...from you shall come forth for me on who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days.” (several translations say “from everlasting” or “from eternity”)
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. The Jews knew He was claiming to be God:John 5:17-18 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.” This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal to God. John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple. (see Genesis 3:14) John 10:20 “I and the Father am one.” (and the Jews were going to stone Him for blasphemy)
Jesus says: I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. (Rev 22:13) God says: I am the Alpha and Omega, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty. (Rev 1:8)
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Post by Natalie on Oct 21, 2019 18:48:14 GMT -6
Jesus accepts worship:
Luke 24:52 "And they worshiped Him..."
Matthew 14:33 "those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God’”
Matthew 28:9 "they took hold of His feet and worshiped Him". These are just three examples.
(Side note: The Angel of the LORD in the OT also accepted worship. Many think that this was Jesus before His incarnation.)
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Post by Natalie on Oct 22, 2019 15:00:33 GMT -6
Romans 10:9-13 “because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved...For Scripture says, ‘Everyone who believes in Him will not be put to shame.’ (Ps 25:3) ...For ‘everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’” (Joel 2:32)
Psalm 25:1-3 To you, O LORD, I lift up my soul. O my God, in You I trust; let me not be put to shame: let not my enemies exult over me. Indeed, none who wait for you shall be put to shame; they shall be ashamed who are wantonly treacherous.
Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.
So according to the OT passages salvation is through the LORD (YHWH), and in Romans Jesus is Lord and the one who saves. The only way it’s possible is if Jesus is YHWH.
Jesus’s name in Hebrew comes from root words that mean YHWH is salvation, or YHWH saves.
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Post by Gary on Oct 22, 2019 15:20:56 GMT -6
This is a good resource. The OT is filled with references to God's Son / capital 'M' Messenger who is worshiped and revered. And there are many more NT passages emphatic about Christ's deity. He is God and He alone saves.
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Post by Natalie on Oct 22, 2019 15:24:24 GMT -6
If others want to add verses for the categories, then I can edit the posts to include them.
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Post by Natalie on Oct 28, 2019 15:41:10 GMT -6
I had this in another thread:
I didn't make this list, but I think it's a great list.
Revelation 1:7-8 says that Jesus Christ is the Almighty. But Genesis 17:1 says that the Almighty is God.
John 8:58 says that Jesus Christ is the "I Am" But Exodus 3:14 says that the "I Am" is God
Acts 3:14 says that Jesus Christ is the "HOLY ONE" But Isaiah 43:15 says that the "HOLY ONE" is God
John 8:24 says that Jesus Christ is the "I Am He" But Isaiah 43:10 says that the "I Am He" is God
Revelation 22:13 says that Jesus Christ is the "First and the Last" But Isaiah 44:6 says that the "First and the Last" is God
I Corinthians 10:4 says that Jesus Christ is "The Rock" Psalm 18:31 says that "The Rock" is God
John 5:21 says that Jesus Christ raises the dead. But 1 Sam 2:6 says that God raises the dead
John 8:12 says that Jesus Christ is the Light But Isaiah 60:19-20 says that God is the Light.
Matt 25:31-46 says that Jesus Christ is the Judge But in Joel 3:12 it says that God is the Judge
Colossians 1:16 says that Jesus Christ is the Creator of angels: But Psalms 148:5 says that the Creator of angels is God
Heb 1:6 says that angels worship Jesus Christ But in Psalm 148:2 it says that angels worship God
II Corinthians 11:2 says that Jesus Christ is the "One HUSBAND" But Jeremiah 31:32 says that the "One HUSBAND" is God
Matthew 23:8 says that Jesus Christ is the "ONE MASTER" But Malachi 1:6 says that the "ONE MASTER" is God
John 10:16 says that Jesus Christ is the "One SHEPHERD" But Isaiah 40:11 says that the "ONE SHEPHERD" is God
Acts 4:12 says that Jesus Christ is the "ONE SAVIOR" But Isaiah 45:21 says that the "ONE SAVIOR" is God
Luke 1:68 says that Jesus Christ is the "ONE REDEEMER" But Isaiah 41:14 says that the "ONE REDEEMER" is God
Revelation 19:16 says that Jesus Christ is "LORD OF LORDS Deuteronomy 10:17 says that the "LORD OF LORDS" is God
Philippians 2:10 says that Every Knee must bow to Jesus Christ But Isaiah 45:23 says that Every Knee must bow to God
John 1:3-10 says that Jesus Christ is the "ONE CREATOR" But Genesis 1:1 says that the "ONE CREATOR" is God
John 1:49 says that Jesus Christ is "KING OF ISRAEL" But Isaiah 44:6 says that the "KING OF ISRAEL" is God
1John 4:15 says that Jesus Christ is "GOD’S SON" But Proverbs 30:4 says that God has a SON
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Post by Natalie on Oct 28, 2019 15:48:21 GMT -6
Sunday my pastor asked the question, "Do you know passages in Scripture that show Jesus is God?". Yes, yes I do. I am also currently reading a book on the Trinity. It makes the point that the foundation of our faith is the God we worship. Beliefs are only Christian if they are founded in the triune God. We can ask others to believe in Jesus to be saved, but they must have the right Jesus.
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Post by Beloved on Oct 28, 2019 22:02:50 GMT -6
Hebrews says, " But of the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness above Your companions.” And, “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Your hands; They will perish, but You remain; And they all will become old like a garment, And like a mantle You will roll them up; Like a garment they will also be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end.” " (Hebrews 1:8-12 NASB)
This is a beautiful and powerful passage, and supports several key doctrines. It calls Jesus God and the LORD (i.e. YHWH Himself), and hints at the Trinity ('God, your God, has anointed you'). It calls Him Creator, and says His throne lasts forever. On this passage alone, who else could Jesus be but God?
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Post by raindrop on Oct 29, 2019 2:31:12 GMT -6
Natalie, Hi Natalie- I believe you will find this short video clip (just over 5 minutes) will cement everything you have put forward here. We are currently in the Hebrew year 5780. The clip is about The Secrets of the Hebrew letter Peh. Peh represents the number 80. What this letter tells us about our LORD Jesus will blow you away. No question about it - our LORD Jesus IS God.
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Post by Natalie on Oct 29, 2019 8:03:31 GMT -6
Thank you, raindrop ! I was just thinking last night about how multilayered the Scriptures are. I may read something and learn something and then read it again knowing more and learn something new. Learning about the Hebrew letters adds yet another layer. I always pause when I read the phrase "Word of God" in the OT. Sometimes it reads like it is a spoken word from God, but sometimes it reads as if it is the Lord appearing to the person. And we know by John that indeed that Word became flesh. (For example Gen 15:4-5; 1 Kings 19:9; 1 Samuel 3:21)
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Post by raindrop on Oct 29, 2019 9:09:12 GMT -6
Natalie, It's all so very, very beautiful, isn't it? I get rather emotional every time I learn something new - when yet another layer is revealed. It brings me closer to our LORD and His Holy Spirit. I can feel it growing and maturing. Deep spiritual roots that I could never have achieved on my own. *Groan* I cannot wait to be with Him.
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Post by bondservant on Oct 29, 2019 9:46:23 GMT -6
I used to work as a journalist for a Christian Radio/Ezine and I would interview musicians and the 1st question I would ask is, "Who do you say that Jesus is?" I feel like that was the most important question that Jesus asked His disciples. He did not care about what others said about who He is. He wants to know "Who do YOU say that I AM?" I say the Messiah... LORD. The Great I AM... The One who Is & Was & Is to Come... The Alpha & Omega... The Aleph & the Tav. Attachments:
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Post by bondservant on Oct 29, 2019 9:48:57 GMT -6
Natalie , Hi Natalie- I believe you will find this short video clip (just over 5 minutes) will cement everything you have put forward here. We are currently in the Hebrew year 5780. The clip is about The Secrets of the Hebrew letter Peh. Peh represents the number 80. What this letter tells us about our LORD Jesus will blow you away. No question about it - our LORD Jesus IS God. I recommend that channel to everyone... the entire playlist.
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Post by Natalie on Apr 15, 2020 17:44:52 GMT -6
I've been doing a study on Mark, and really, really enjoying it. I thought of starting a new thread, but I think it fits in with this one.
The story is a familiar one. Jesus has sent his disciples off in the boat, dismissed the crowd, and went off to pray. It gets dark and the winds pick up. The disciples are struggling to make any progress across the sea of Galilee. Jesus comes near their boat, walking on the water. He says, "Take heart; it is I. Do not be afraid." (Mark 6:50)
How does this show who He is?
Job 9:8 speaking of God "who alone stretched out the heaves and trampled the waves of the sea" The phrase "trampled the waves of the sea" translated into Greek is the same phrase Mark uses (in Greek) for Jesus "walking on the sea". (Another thing I found as cool is that Job 9:11 says that God, who walks on the water, passes by but Job doesn't see Him. But Jesus as God with us, passes by and they see Him.)
Jesus also used the phrase pronounced "ego eimi". This phrase can also be translated as "I am". It doesn't always refer to God's title of "I Am", it depends on sentence structure and context. Sometimes it's just someone saying basically, "yep, that's me." (Like the guy that was blind and his parents said he was old enough to answer for himself, he says the phrase.). There are three definite places that the ingredients, so to speak, are just right. In John 8:58, Mark 6:50 (and the corresponding verses in the other Gospels), and John 18:6-8. (side note, in this last passage "he" is added. My Bible footnotes says "Greek I am")
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Post by venge on Apr 17, 2020 6:45:30 GMT -6
I've been doing a study on Mark, and really, really enjoying it. I thought of starting a new thread, but I think it fits in with this one. The story is a familiar one. Jesus has sent his disciples off in the boat, dismissed the crowd, and went off to pray. It gets dark and the winds pick up. The disciples are struggling to make any progress across the sea of Galilee. Jesus comes near their boat, walking on the water. He says, "Take heart; it is I. Do not be afraid." (Mark 6:50) How does this show who He is? Job 9:8 speaking of God "who alone stretched out the heaves and trampled the waves of the sea" The phrase "trampled the waves of the sea" translated into Greek is the same phrase Mark uses (in Greek) for Jesus "walking on the sea". (Another thing I found as cool is that Job 9:11 says that God, who walks on the water, passes by but Job doesn't see Him. But Jesus as God with us, passes by and they see Him.) Jesus also used the phrase pronounced "ego eimi". This phrase can also be translated as "I am". It doesn't always refer to God's title of "I Am", it depends on sentence structure and context. Sometimes it's just someone saying basically, "yep, that's me." (Like the guy that was blind and his parents said he was old enough to answer for himself, he says the phrase.). There are three definite places that the ingredients, so to speak, are just right. In John 8:58, Mark 6:50 (and the corresponding verses in the other Gospels), and John 18:6-8. (side note, in this last passage "he" is added. My Bible footnotes says "Greek I am") Natalie , I have taken God walking on water, seas and such not just a literal sense of Christ physical body walking on water, but its demonstrating a spiritual truth. With Christ at the helm in our lives, we all can walk on waters that could cause others to sink. The waters are peoples, nations, tongues and tribes and when they get angry and cause a tumult, these waves get strong and pressure the one in the water to try and stay afloat or you sink and drown. With Christ, we rise above the waters. You cannot sink and drown in a group of non believers when your faith is strong, you walk on water and are safe. You also noticed it got dark and the wind picked up, again a literal truth but also has a spiritual truth with it. If we find ourselves in surrounded by darkness, and the wind is blowing...cannot Christ guide us with his bright light and strong tower that cannot be blown down? The same analogy applies to us on these same seas as fishermen. We catch fish for God, some good and some bad. God decides which ones he keeps. Enjoyed going through this thread, lots of good info!
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