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Post by disciple4life on Oct 15, 2019 15:23:27 GMT -6
Mike, I agree with you that Satan hates Jews and Christians. But, if Satan can wipe out the Jews then God is a liar and what Christians believe falls apart. But in Jeremiah 31:36 God says the Jews will always be a nation ETA:after reading raindrops post, if there are no Jews then where will Jesus set up His kingdom? All the prophecies for Israel would mean nothing and the promises to the church then means what? raindrop,Natalie, Hello Friends. I really like the way you stated so well that God has a special place in his heart for the Jewish people and always will.
He said regarding the Jewish people "In Blessing [them] I will bless you, and in cursing [them] I will curse you."
It's also written, in the Psalm of Ascents, 123. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem, - they will prosper that love her.
Raindrop - you nailed it beautifully- They are God's chosen people, and for a time, their eyes are blinded, but there is coming a day, when all of the Jewish people will see the truth. God's calendar, and the number count for end times events given in Daniel and Revelation are Biblical [Hebrew months] and then with an added leap month (36 months X 30) + 6 months x 30 = 1260, plus leap month =1290.
When they are surrounded and attacked Ezekiel 38 war- outnumbered, outmanned, outgunned, 100 times over - and no one to defend them - then they will know that it was God alone who saved them.
They are God's chosen people and I find it also very interesting that it says in Revelation that at the end of the world, all nations will gather and celebrate Sukkot together, Feast of booths - which is all this week, by the way. ;-)
Also, Mike, you have it right my friend about the annex of Crimea. I lived in Russia, and studied Russian, and also spent some time in Ukraine. I can't say if the Crimea was linked with oil, but one thing for sure - It's the only port that is open year round, as the other Russian ports are ice-blocked in the winter. This is a huge huge military asset.
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Post by mike on Oct 15, 2019 19:52:52 GMT -6
I think I finally understand how we got to this point. ISIS came into being, Syria did not want them there, Iran (Shia) hate the Sunni (ISIS terrorists). Turkey does not want this on their border. The Kurds occupy northeast Syria (possibly against Asaad desire). The Kurds don't want ISIS in their area, need help and pay us (US) to back them. The Turks hate the Kurds.
Syria sides with Turkey to help with ISIS and is free to go after the Kurds. Turkey can't/won't due to NATO (blah, blah, blah) and the US. Iran sees this as a chance to get closer to Israel and joins.
I do not know if this accurate but I think I get it now except how Russia plays into it other than the oil
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 15, 2019 20:25:37 GMT -6
barbiosheepgirl , Eeek. I understand where you are coming from. I have always been a huge fan of the POTUS. I am as conservative as they come and think the leftie luvvies are a tad strange. Almost alien. But, prophecy informs us that all the nations will come against Israel. Not one nation will come to their defence. POTUS well knows that the Turks hate Israel. POTUS knows that the Turks have recently formed an alliance with Iran and Russia. He knows the lay of the land in the Middle East. After affecting great support and friendship toward Israel, he then endangers them by letting loose the Turks !! Armed to the teeth. He dumped the Kurdish people and left them to be murdered. This is not the behaviour of a good Christian man. We shall all have to watch and wait. Your point has been taken though. And understood. Hello Raindrop, I have really enjoyed your posts in the shoutbox, and am glad you joined the forum. !! Welcome from your Tennessee Brother. ;-) I'm uploading a ginormous load of cheese grits and biscuits and gravy.
I share your thoughts and feelings regarding Israel and not only the fact that End Times all revolves in and around Israel and Jerusalem.
Amir Tsarfati - for those who don't know is a Jewish End times expert, Former mayor of Jericho and Colonel in the IDF. He said that Trump was not abandoning Israel in the least, but rather keeping a campaign promise, and it was a "smart move" politically. He doesn't want dead American soldiers on the cover of newspapers to be used by the left in the upcoming election.
Also, - if you think about it - Trump is the most solidly pro-Israel president in US History. Many don't realize it, but Trumps daughter is Jewish, and his son-in-law is a very highly influential Jew, who is one of the main architects of the Deal of the century, and all his sons married Jewish women, so all his grandchildren are Jewish. ;-) There was a coin minted recently in Israel, with Trump, Cyrus and the temple engraved on it. And Jared's huge role in the Deal, he's not going to betray Israel. ;-)
JD Farag, Lebanese Christian pastor and end-times expert says - and I agree 100% that the reason the US or non of the other allies of Israel comes to their rescue, will be because so many of the leaders, and military officers, are missing from the rapture. Massive hysteria and the subsequent leadership vacuum. It's Not because we abandoned them.
I'll try to find the link and repost it, but both Amir Tsarfati, and pastor Steve Cioccolanti have excellent teachings on Gog of Magog. Eye-opening. I don't buy the notion of US being Gog at all. US has no place in end-times prophecy.
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Post by Natalie on Oct 15, 2019 20:26:51 GMT -6
Ezekiel says this about Gog (who I say is Russia) - Ezekiel 38:7 "...and be a guard for them."
What could Iran and Turkey get from Russia?
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Oct 15, 2019 21:12:46 GMT -6
d4L thanks for that latest assessment by Amir. This is what I was trying to say and I did not watch Amir say it. Trump would be fully aware of the dangers left to Israel by the US leaving posts.. and his record toward Israel is all been but pro-Israel.
To sog, I think, I fall back on my concern for the real truth in the news. I have heard/read that we barely had a force there, and that Erdagon was going to make his move regardless. Our pulling out was not like leaving a void like we did in Iraq, numbers-wise. But then again, WHAt DO WE REALLY KNOW TO BE THE TRUTH?
The hate for this president by most media outlets can be predicted to say we bugged out and left a void, when in fact, the decision was safety for our minimal force that was there in the first place.
Do we go by our bibles on the ancient maps for Magog, Tubal and Meshech? Because mine does not have Russia any part of those names, it is purely Turkey and Iran has no name that I can identify in Ezk 38, but I have not watched all these latest videos, just going by my Bible... Do the names change locations? This would make sense if a peoples migrated and made the same nation in another part, but then one must really keep prophetic statements in order so as to know which peoples its addressing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 2:05:19 GMT -6
barbiosheepgirl , Eeek. I understand where you are coming from. I have always been a huge fan of the POTUS. I am as conservative as they come and think the leftie luvvies are a tad strange. Almost alien. But, prophecy informs us that all the nations will come against Israel. Not one nation will come to their defence. POTUS well knows that the Turks hate Israel. POTUS knows that the Turks have recently formed an alliance with Iran and Russia. He knows the lay of the land in the Middle East. After affecting great support and friendship toward Israel, he then endangers them by letting loose the Turks !! Armed to the teeth. He dumped the Kurdish people and left them to be murdered. This is not the behaviour of a good Christian man. We shall all have to watch and wait. Your point has been taken though. And understood. Hello Raindrop, I have really enjoyed your posts in the shoutbox, and am glad you joined the forum. !! Welcome from your Tennessee Brother. ;-) I'm uploading a ginormous load of cheese grits and biscuits and gravy.
I share your thoughts and feelings regarding Israel and not only the fact that End Times all revolves in and around Israel and Jerusalem.
Amir Tsarfati - for those who don't know is a Jewish End times expert, Former mayor of Jericho and Colonel in the IDF. He said that Trump was not abandoning Israel in the least, but rather keeping a campaign promise, and it was a "smart move" politically. He doesn't want dead American soldiers on the cover of newspapers to be used by the left in the upcoming election.
Also, - if you think about it - Trump is the most solidly pro-Israel president in US History. Many don't realize it, but Trumps daughter is Jewish, and his son-in-law is a very highly influential Jew, who is one of the main architects of the Deal of the century, and all his sons married Jewish women, so all his grandchildren are Jewish. ;-) There was a coin minted recently in Israel, with Trump, Cyrus and the temple engraved on it. And Jared's huge role in the Deal, he's not going to betray Israel. ;-)
JD Farag, Lebanese Christian pastor and end-times expert says - and I agree 100% that the reason the US or non of the other allies of Israel comes to their rescue, will be because so many of the leaders, and military officers, are missing from the rapture. Massive hysteria and the subsequent leadership vacuum. It's Not because we abandoned them.
I'll try to find the link and repost it, but both Amir Tsarfati, and pastor Steve Cioccolanti have excellent teachings on Gog of Magog. Eye-opening. I don't buy the notion of US being Gog at all. US has no place in end-times prophecy.
The black marked phrase above is my working theory since 2 yrs. We will see in due time.
It's one of several theories why the US won't or can't help Israel. There are some more possible theories, i.e.
The Gog/Magog war is a very short "war" because it's a massive missile surprise attack taking place within a very short time span.
I heard some experts talking about a time period of only a few minutes or several hours. This could also explain, why no other nation will or can come to Israels rescue.
But the main reason, why no other nation comes to Israels rescue is IMHO found in scripture:
Many Christians unfortunately forget, that the key factor of the endtimes is Israel and Jerusalem. Several friends here pointed to this very important point. I suspect, that many Christians fell to the lies and traps of replacement theology. And I see it even in my church.
Where will Jesus return? On the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem in Israel. This is the focal point. There the music plays....
BTW: here is a link to Amir's Gog/Magog teaching.
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Post by raindrop on Oct 16, 2019 2:38:15 GMT -6
venge, WOW! You fail to see how prophecy is lining up?! I am gobsmacked. Ezekiel 38 is unfolding before our very eyes! I applaud all watchmen for their due diligence. Evil and powerful people have wanted a one world government for ages. The watchmen saw it happening and issued warnings. The Bible tells us that evil people would try this, so we look out for it and take it very seriously. The fact that it hasn't fully unfolded yet, does not make God a liar! It's OBVIOUS to the Christian watchmen that these things are happening. Watchmen aren't "making predictions". We are following our calling to "WATCH" We are also told to sound the alarm if we see and feel that danger is approaching. If we don't - we are failing in our calling.
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Post by raindrop on Oct 16, 2019 2:55:16 GMT -6
mike, Natan's prophetic message was not a pleasant one. Natan received a message for Israel, warning them to repent- Because Ezekiel 38 and Zechariah 14 is hurtling towards them. The Jewish people have chosen to remain under the old covenant by not believing on LORD Jesus. Almighty God expects them to follow The Law to a T. It's a tough old law. Wearing tzitzit etc. There are so many itty bitty things they are expected to do - it makes the head spin. Thank the LORD He set us FREE from all that. Jesus removed the burden from our shoulders. Natan's prophetic message was simple. Repent properly. Study Torah. Perform acts of kindness. In other words - get right with God Almighty. Because when Messiah Jesus' touches down on the Mount of Olives, their will be bloodshed and mayhem. Natan's message is proving to be uncannily accurate. These things are rapidly unfolding.
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Post by raindrop on Oct 16, 2019 4:08:07 GMT -6
@reepicheep, Thank you for your warm Tennessee welcome. Big hello's from your UK sister ! I am still mulling over your post above. You made some amazing and valid points. I wish I knew how to link the post you made to my reply. I am not computer illiterate but temporarily sight impaired. My eye operation is only due late December. It's irritating because this has made me feel like an old woman - which I'm not! haha. But, it makes things difficult to navigate.
I'm obviously influenced by Natan's prophetic message because I wholly believe the lad was taken to heaven to receive prophecy for Israel. I don't believe, for one second, that he made anything up. He was clear and concise about what he was shown and told. The things he said gave subtle hints to the veracity of his experience. For example - he said that Messiah cannot be someone who is dead". Natan understandably assumed that Messiah is here because "he cannot be someone who is dead". Natan didn't have the words to fully explain, but he is very aware of the difference between a soul and a flesh and blood human being. Natan is operating under the old covenant and is blinded in part, as a result. He has NO idea that Messiah Jesus rose from the dead - in a flesh and blood body! Natan quoted from scripture with pin point accuracy. His message is heavily Israel centric. Appealing to their Jewish mind-set. His warning should be taken very, very seriously. It will affect the whole world...who will be witnessing these things. FREAKING out as a result. Short of Obama suddenly swerving back on to the world stage, I view POTUS with suspicious eyes. Which is HORRIBLE because I was such a fan before. It also upsets people - which is equally horrible.
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Post by raindrop on Oct 16, 2019 4:21:19 GMT -6
@reepicheep, I kept waiting for Obama to re-emerge as I loved Pres, Trump and all he was doing. But - when he sent huge amounts of military to the Middle East (especially the Abraham Lincoln, which I have had prophetic dreams about), my alarm bells started ringing. When the "Deal of the Century" was on the table - sirens went off in my head. That "Deal" would have involved dividing God's land. Bowing to the lie that is the so-called Palestinian people. With the Israeli government in current disarray, the Deal of the Century has obviously been temporarily shelved. The chess board has been re-arranged, as a result. We can wrap this Turkish / Kurdish stuff in pretty packaging and slap a silk bow on it but it doesn't make the danger any less. The genie is out of the bottle. ONE wrong move and the Middle East erupts into full blown war. Just as predicted.
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Post by raindrop on Oct 16, 2019 4:28:38 GMT -6
disciple4life, The posts addressed to reepicheep were meant for you !! I mucked up. Apologies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 4:42:33 GMT -6
disciple4life , The posts addressed to reepicheep were meant for you !! I mucked up. Apologies.
raindrop : you may want to edit your posts and correct them... it's pretty easy you see a "Edit" button at the top of your own posts.
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Post by raindrop on Oct 16, 2019 4:45:14 GMT -6
disciple4life, mike, Natalie, barbiosheepgirl,@reepicheep, Somebody posted something about Tabernacles and I can't find it. Please forgive my fumbling - my wretched eyes let me down. It was fascinating because I had just finished reading the wonderful Jack Kelley's study on Tabernacles. Link below. It's a DELICIOUS read. It led me off to re-read John 7. RIVETING ! Our LORD Jesus attended the Feast Of Tabernacles ...in secret. Then, in the midst of this 8 days feast, LORD Jesus stood up and revealed Himself to speak to the crowd. The middle of the current Feast Of Tabernacles is today - October 16th. LORD Jesus then made a POWERFUL speech "on the last and greatest day of the feast". The last day of Tabernacles this year is Sunday October 20th. I am most certainly not making predictions or date-setting - simply pointing it out. Natan was taken to heaven on the first day of Tabernacles in 2015. The night of the last blood moon of the 2014/2015 tetrad. Again - just pointing it out. gracethrufaith.com/topical-studies/holidays-and-holy-days/the-feast-of-tabernacles/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+7&version=NIV
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Post by raindrop on Oct 16, 2019 4:47:52 GMT -6
disciple4life, Thank you. I've just seen it. I am officially an idiot !!!
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 16, 2019 6:35:58 GMT -6
@reepicheep ,
I agree 100% Reepicheep said "It's one of several theories why the US won't or can't help Israel.
There are some more possible theories, i.e.
The Gog/Magog war is a very short "war" because it's a massive missile surprise attack taking place within a very short time span. I heard some experts talking about a time period of only a few minutes or several hours.
This could also explain, why no other nation will or can come to Israels rescue.
But the main reason, why no other nation comes to Israels rescue is IMHO found in scripture:
Ezekiel 38:23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord."
As you mentioned the massive, surprise missile attack. The other thing is that one or two missiles that hit a school or hospital where the weapons of mass destruction are hidden under Damascus, and it could make Damascus "unhabitable" in hours. This is a theory by JD Farag and others, but a very compelling one.
Google Damascus pictures/ images. Right now, it's so close to a ruinous heap it's surreal. I agree with the point and the scripture. But with the Harpazo, Christ takes his bride - we meet him in the air at the last trump, and we go to the Chuppah, and in this way, God uses the Harpazo /rapture to cause Israel to see that no one is there to help her - Only Elohim can save them.
This is very interesting fly in the soup - Turkey is holding 50 US Nuclear bombs hostage at an airbase in Turkey. One of these bad boys in the wrong hands, and Ezekiel 38 is fulfilled in minutes. Thoughts on this, guys and gals. www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-nuclear-bombs-hostage-syria
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