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Post by raindrop on Oct 15, 2019 8:06:18 GMT -6
mike, I could have chosen a link to Natan's testimony from another channel. I chose that channel as the English subtitles happen to be better, in my opinion. I don't have a clue as to what the channel;s owner believes. The video clip is exactly the same. Throughout history, Satan has attacked the Jewish people. His most hideous attempt was with Hitler in WW2. LORD Jesus is from the Jewish bloodline. LORD Jesus is coming back...to Jerusalem! Not New York or London, Hong Kong or Tokyo. It is VERY obvious why Israel will be targeted. Almighty God has put His Name on Jerusalem. He calls Israel HIS Holy Land. Prophecy tells us that the evil ones are going to attempt The near future attack in Ezekiel 38 will be on Israel. to divide HIS land. Israel ! Scripture is very clear on this. The Christians in that part of the world have been hammered as well. All the7 churches in Revelation "which are in Asia" are ALL situated in Turkey. Every single one. Israel is our prophetic time clock and we are to watch her like haWKs to ascertain where we are on God's prophetic timeline. The Jewish people have been blinded in part (for our sake). They are STILL under the old covenant and God's ETERNAL promises to Abraham. Bible believing Christians are saved by the blood of the Lamb. We are NOT appointed to wrath. But...the Jewish people are. Almighty God is going to allow this satanic attack in order that His beloved people are forced to repent. Forced to return to God. Because they will have NO ONE else to turn to. I may have mis read your post. Without trying to sound mean - I am very confused as to why this has to be explained. I also happen to wholly believe that Natan was taken to heaven to receive urgent prophecy regarding Israel's need to repent, repent, repent. Praying for the peace of Jerusalem.
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Post by Natalie on Oct 15, 2019 8:10:32 GMT -6
Mike, I agree with you that Satan hates Jews and Christians. But, if Satan can wipe out the Jews then God is a liar and what Christians believe falls apart.
But in Jeremiah 31:36 God says the Jews will always be a nation
ETA:after reading raindrops post, if there are no Jews then where will Jesus set up His kingdom? All the prophecies for Israel would mean nothing and the promises to the church then means what?
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Post by raindrop on Oct 15, 2019 8:21:10 GMT -6
Natalie, Thank you. Beautifully and simply put.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Oct 15, 2019 9:23:33 GMT -6
No doubt the US is under its own divisive struggle. I find it equating to the spiritual situation of the last beast systems struggling to remain in power. Yet I do know where you say "we care more about us than them" phrase comes from. I kind of disagree that the current theme is to NOT care about anyone else. I believe what stance has been promoted the past 3 years for the USA is we can not be liable for the entire worlds troubles/and have been used and abused by other nations for quite awhile. In fact if you look, prior to these past three years this forum and a bunch of the Christian commentators were oh so concerned about a one world government and this country of ours blending and melding and being taken in by a one world government. I am coming to the defense of the current position to KEEP this nation of ours the strong nation that it has been, and not being manipulated by those who wish to see it destroyed financially, or militarily, etc, for the sake of a one world government. That is how I see it. I don't see the stance as being self-centered and prideful. I hear some commenting this morning on the situation in northern Syria. I started to type it out here, but decided it really doesnt matter. The only point I want to make is that what was said is by definition, our goal was completed (ISIS), and it was time to exit the stage. Apparently the number of troops there was merely handfuls and it was stated that Erdogon was going to cross the borderline no matter if we were there or not. The pres did not want our troops in that mess. raindrop, I have no reason to believe that or current president would allow on purpose anything that would disrupt or abandon our relationship with Israel. He has not demonstrated this at all, in fact, quite the opposite. It just seemed like in your commenting that this current move to leave the Kurdish area is equating to us abandoning Israel. I am not convinced of that … yet. Interesting take on Gog... I thought people were saying Iran is Gog. or even so, this from a search engine on Gog: "In Ezekiel’s prophecy, Gog will be the leader of a great army that attacks the land of Israel. Gog is described as “of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal” Ezekiel 38:2-3" According to my bible yes, this is merely the entire area of modern day Turkey, NOT Iran. BUT as of today Turkey is still a NATO member, so... The whole interesting thing is we are all engaged to figure out what is actual prophecy being play out before our eyes. And the Lord must be well-pleased for those seeking to hear His VOice amongst all these events.
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Post by Natalie on Oct 15, 2019 10:11:09 GMT -6
In Ez 38 Persia is Iran. That's what it had always been known as.
We have a thread somewhere trying to label who's who in Ez 38.
On possible theory is that the US slaps severe sanctions on Turkey, Turkey turns to Russia just as Iran has done, and all three go after Israel and her oil. (Personally, I think Russia is Gog/Magog, Turkey is Gomer, Iran is Persia)
It's so fascinating to be watching all of this and seeing God put things in place! And I agree, I think God is pleased because we are watching and we know He is the one doing it.
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Post by venge on Oct 15, 2019 10:28:03 GMT -6
raindropYou said: Bible believing Christians are saved by the blood of the Lamb. We are NOT appointed to wrath. But...the Jewish people are. Are Christians appointed to tribulation in this life?
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Post by Natalie on Oct 15, 2019 10:39:27 GMT -6
raindrop You said: Bible believing Christians are saved by the blood of the Lamb. We are NOT appointed to wrath. But...the Jewish people are. Are Christians appointed to tribulation in this life? This is going to take the thread off topic. This has also been a topic elsewhere. Would you mind starting a new thread or finding one that we can direct raindrop to?
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Post by raindrop on Oct 15, 2019 10:44:12 GMT -6
venge, barbiosheepgirl, Natalie, Venge - Sadly, yes. John 16:33 tells us that we will have trouble in this life. But, we are to take heart as Jesus has overcome the world. I know - it's a bummer! I'm tired too. But - Almighty God has always answered my prayers. He gives me exactly what I need. Except winning millions on the lottery, that is! I have experienced wonderful miracles recently. God has shown me that he really loves me - warts and all. I don't need to feel "perfect" to come before God. He sees me as perfect because I love and believe in His son and Word...LORD Jesus. It is SUCH a relief not to feel like pond scum when I kneel before God. Take heart, Venge. Almighty God sees you as a pearl beyond price.
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Post by raindrop on Oct 15, 2019 10:54:23 GMT -6
barbiosheepgirl, Eeek. I understand where you are coming from. I have always been a huge fan of the POTUS. I am as conservative as they come and think the leftie luvvies are a tad strange. Almost alien. But, prophecy informs us that all the nations will come against Israel. Not one nation will come to their defence. POTUS well knows that the Turks hate Israel. POTUS knows that the Turks have recently formed an alliance with Iran and Russia. He knows the lay of the land in the Middle East. After affecting great support and friendship toward Israel, he then endangers them by letting loose the Turks !! Armed to the teeth. He dumped the Kurdish people and left them to be murdered. This is not the behaviour of a good Christian man. We shall all have to watch and wait. Your point has been taken though. And understood.
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Post by mike on Oct 15, 2019 12:04:19 GMT -6
raindrop , Natalie , 1. Because we have about 500 guests here daily and I dont know if they understand the reason you posted what you posted, so an explanation sometimes is helpful 2. I put zero trust in a boy who claims to have been brought to heaven, who does not say he saw Jesus. I am reminded of how Paul mentions his catching up to the third heaven 2Cor 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
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Post by raindrop on Oct 15, 2019 12:39:33 GMT -6
mike, That is your prerogative, Mike. Have you watched the video? It's pretty uncanny how accurate Natan's testimony is proving to be. A very timely message for Israel. However, as a born again Bible believing Christian, it's not vital that you believe Natan's testimony. It is of vital importance that Israel hears it AND believes it. It does not jar with God's word. A life or death message to Israel. We wait for our LORD and Saviour.
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Post by sog on Oct 15, 2019 12:54:02 GMT -6
The wolves are descending and closing in. Headline: Russian forces sweep into U.S. base abandoned in Syria www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/15/russian-forces-sweep-us-base-abandoned-syria/From link - Russian mercenary forces have begun sweeping in to fill a security void left by withdrawing U.S. troops in northern Syria, with a video online showing the Moscow-backed mercenaries taking control Tuesday of what was previously an American military outpost. The video, posted on social media by Russian journalists reportedly traveling with Syrian government forces and Russian mercenaries, showed tents under camouflage netting and other apparent military remnants left behind by U.S. troops near the Syrian town of Manbij. I have a number of emotions I'm feeling as this plays out in the days/weeks/months ahead. Anxious and happy as God is revealing his end time prophecy. Thoughtful and hopefully discerning that what we are seeing is truly lining up with scripture. Sad that this will lead to much death and destruction. Prayerful that loved ones will turn to Jesus as their savior. I pray that God lifts us up as watchmen to have courage to spread his word.
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Post by venge on Oct 15, 2019 13:31:51 GMT -6
I fail to see how “prophecy” is lining up. Maybe someone’s idea of how it plays out. But I see nothing fulfilled and no prophecy at the halfway mark. Just much speculation. The same when Damascus was damaged and some here were saying it’s a close fulfillment to prophecy. Or when Trump was inaugurated, calling him the last trump. Or when Europe formed the EU with one coin saying here comes the 1 world government under the Pope. That never happened and now nations in the EU want out.
I just think we shouldn’t predict. Discussing is good but predicting and saying it is or can be prophecy can lead people astray.
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Post by Natalie on Oct 15, 2019 14:02:45 GMT -6
One prophecy is seeing the coming together of Russia, Turkey, and Iran just as Ezekiel foretells. Ez 38
We may make guesses on how things will happen but Ezekiel tells us that it will happen. We are seeing it come together.
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Post by mike on Oct 15, 2019 15:19:43 GMT -6
mike, That is your prerogative, Mike. Have you watched the video? It's pretty uncanny how accurate Natan's testimony is proving to be. A very timely message for Israel. However, as a born again Bible believing Christian, it's not vital that you believe Natan's testimony. It is of vital importance that Israel hears it AND believes it. It does not jar with God's word. A life or death message to Israel. We wait for our LORD and Saviour. I had watched it, maybe a year or two ago. I got giddy from it at the time. Now I have changed my tune on how strongly I am influenced by what others postulate or "hear from God". Maybe I'll try to watch it again if I get a moment. I believe the Lord uses people, weather, stars, anything He chooses to gain the proper attention of the heart. What might open one eye, may close another tighter. It is a matter of the heart. If the young boys dream turns a soul then hallelujah. Hanging Israels hope on this boys dream...
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