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Post by Natalie on Nov 2, 2019 9:00:38 GMT -6
venge - Have you compared the parallel chapters? (Matt 24, Luke 21, Mark 13) and also consider Matt 10:16-23 (specifically verse 22). In Luke He uses the words "But before all this" (before nation rises against nation, earthquakes, terrors and great signs from heaven) Who is Jesus talking to? All believers or just a select group?
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Post by venge on Nov 3, 2019 16:51:03 GMT -6
venge - Have you compared the parallel chapters? (Matt 24, Luke 21, Mark 13) and also consider Matt 10:16-23 (specifically verse 22). In Luke He uses the words "But before all this" (before nation rises against nation, earthquakes, terrors and great signs from heaven) Who is Jesus talking to? All believers or just a select group? I have. Here is one from Commentary: Disciples and Christians of Christ. In regards to "But before all this", I will post the sentence below: But Matthew 24 implies that it doesnt happen before, but afterwards (nation vs nation etc..) Mark doesnt specify one way or another. But Mark does say: Why would Christ say to believers to endure to the end to be saved? And Matthew 24 says when the end is that we are to endure towards. The end wasn't the end of the war on Jerusalem in 70AD if he mentions the gospel to go out in the world which at this time, hadn't. It can only be a future event and his ministering to those that believed, though others may have listened, he spoke of the 2nd coming. And he tells them if you endure to the end, you will be saved. Let me have you think of this. If we are in the last age, time of Gentiles that rule the earth till Christ returns, when that time ends, another begins right? The Kingdom of Christ must begin when the time of the gentiles ends. How can we endure to the end and then wait 7 years...which isn't the end because its still the Gentiles time in that 7 year period. Unless, what is thought as God's wrath isn't, and we do endure it which at the end we are changed on the "last day" and then God's kingdom comes.
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Post by mike on Nov 30, 2021 5:46:08 GMT -6
sog from page 3 Note this was Nov 1, 2019
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Post by mike on Nov 30, 2021 7:58:47 GMT -6
Thank you disciple4life for tagging or liking me in one of the posts last night. I was hoping to locate this thread (or perhaps one like it) after reading a bit in Ezekiel. The topic of the mark has been discussed quite a bit and in context of the time we live in and the things being imposed upon us, I strongly urge reading of Ezekiel and in particular chapter 8. The apostacy we see in the body today was also present in Israel leading to their exile. The parallel is spot on. For the context of this thread on the mark being a physical mark or a spiritual one is discussed on the 3 pages prior to this one. In review of those I hadnt noticed this portion of scripture referenced and felt it would contribute to the discussion.
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Post by sog on Nov 30, 2021 9:13:49 GMT -6
sog from page 3 Note this was Nov 1, 2019 mike , crazy to think I wrote that two years ago. Lol. satan is still 'probing the wire' in military lingo. Take some shots and see how the defense reacts, where it is vulnerable. In sports, run a few plays to see the reaction and where the weakness is. Then after that you run the full offensive. Thankfully we are not there yet. These things are happening in pockets throughout the world, but it's not a full on worldwide mandate yet. Instead he does things like this: Headline: Greece Imposes $114 Monthly Fine on Unvaccinated People Over 60 www.bloombergquint.com/politics/greece-to-impose-monthly-fines-on-unvaccinated-people-over-60from link - Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis announced mandatory Covid-19 vaccination for all Greeks above 60 years of age before a cabinet meeting in Athens on Tuesday, in an effort to tackle the new omicron variation threat ahead of the festive season. Those who refuse to get vaccinated will have to pay a monthly fine of 100 euros ($114) for each month they don’t get jabbed, starting on Jan. 16, according to Mitsotakis. The penalty will be imposed by the tax authorities directly to those who haven’t been inoculated and the funds collected will be given to Greek hospitals fighting the pandemic... People are resisting and rioting, but eventually God's Word will not be denied. Here is an article opinion form Eschatology Today that is pretty close to what has happened so far, and what they think will. Notice the images. eschatologytoday.blogspot.com/The world is pretty much at step 9 of the 12 step graphic. Again in pockets. The US is going to be a harder sell, imo.
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Post by sog on Nov 30, 2021 9:24:00 GMT -6
Thank you disciple4life for tagging or liking me in one of the posts last night. I was hoping to locate this thread (or perhaps one like it) after reading a bit in Ezekiel. The topic of the mark has been discussed quite a bit and in context of the time we live in and the things being imposed upon us, I strongly urge reading of Ezekiel and in particular chapter 8. The apostacy we see in the body today was also present in Israel leading to their exile. The parallel is spot on. For the context of this thread on the mark being a physical mark or a spiritual one is discussed on the 3 pages prior to this one. In review of those I hadnt noticed this portion of scripture referenced and felt it would contribute to the discussion. Great reminder mike. satan, through the anti-christ, is going to do this very thing and probably even reference this scripture to get compliance. He is going to counterfeit everything of God. Claim he is God using scripture like this and use it to slay all who oppose him.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Nov 30, 2021 10:45:47 GMT -6
You all might be aware of the CMS (Centers for Medicare Services) has this current, experimental, limited tested, gene-altering therapeutic agent to be mandated to all medical people starting with the first dose Dec 5th, right? If you are so fortunate to live in state that foreknew the mandates going around and implimented state law to prevent it, you still are at a crossroads. The CMS is stating that they have ultimate supremacy over any state law.. Why am I saying this? Because my husband will likely be losing his job on Monday. He is only one of 4 ICU nurses too. And currently the only full time night ICU RN. He has been one of the most "exposed" persons in the hospital since this whole thing became public in late Jan 2020... He was a hero then. What was really interesting is we had a few elderly people die in 2020 in our county in the midst of tourist season. There was not a reduction in traffic, in fact people were escaping and flooding Montana. However, since about Mar of 2021 we have had more people have complications from this "virus" than ever before. Odd how it coincides with the experimental gene juice. The suppression of information to the masses in how to protect yourself and limit infection is astounding. You are NOT allowed to use alternative methods for treatment, even if you request it while hospitalized. Its been censored so well that all of my family and husbands family whose news sources are mainstream have never heard of the variety of treatments. If they (the elite, governmental controllers) were so adamant about savign lives thru this plandemic, I mean, excuse me, pandemonic-demic, than they would not be censoring the supportive treatments that do in fact save lives. I have been watching this in detail since June of 2020. So the LAST thing that my husband is gonna do is trust this deceptive science. Our state still upholds religious exemption. We filed it yesterday. It's frustrating that this has to be done as it only confirms that they have enough control that admitting to filing an exemption validates their power further...BUT, its there as a tool of protection, at least in our state.. not sure about you New Yorkers... DO I think this gene juice is the Mark? Not directly, no. Yet, it sure seems like it is. We at least have a chance of him receiving exemption from the "authorities" should they grant him it. Which is funny. We claimed our exemption based on Authority of Jesus Christ; and, that the governments are acting outside their boundaries on this mandate, which is asking each human to choose a way to provide for their families, or face not being able to provide for families (thanks sog for the prediction in 2019). And asking employees to RISK bodily injury with no repercussions to those who forced this. One thing about Religious Exemption is that it gives my husband a public venue, proclamation of his Faith in Jesus Christ. The Enemy may well be mocking the Mark of Revelation. But several things happen thru all this: My husband is understanding Spiritual Warfare, and has heard me recite Eph 6 now several times. He is making a public statement of Faith in Jesus. Saying the Name of Him, which is very important in the spiritual battle. The other thing that is happening is that he is beginning to understand that everything that has been happening for decades has been this battle of the beast system we have been living in. I would call it his awakening moment, but not on his own doing. We know the exemption is in His Hands now. Should he not be granted it, he will let himself be fired. By the way, if you want to see how eerie the times we are in now, go back and watch Mission:Impossible - Fallout and World War Z. It makes me recall back in the summer of 2017 when someone posted a snapshot from the movie, Evan Almighty. In that movie the flood that the movie god sent happened on Sept 23rd. The Enemy KNOWS these things, but can not, and will not stand. Our Lord will not forsake us, nor leave us, yet we will have tribulation in this world, but take heart: Jesus has overcome this world! Not, WILL overcome this world. He HAS overcome it (spoken even before the cross John 16:33). Focus on that and this stuff around us is all noise.
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Post by disciple4life on Nov 30, 2021 11:41:30 GMT -6
Great stuff, sog, mike. I'll be praying for you and your husband, barbiosheepgirl, that the religious exemption will be granted. Based on these recent posts and the vaccine passports all over the world, along with the tracking through cellphone and the passports themselves already being used to track and monitor physical location, it's completely clear that this is a real, physical mark, not symbolic. We are seeing the microdot/ Micro-tatoo technology and the near-infrared "Luciferase" ink that is invisible to the naked eye but visible to be scanned by smart phone apps, and some places are using cards with your own unique QR Code. Several other key reasons why we can be certain that it's a real mark. If it were symbolic, there are plenty of words in Greek and Hebrew for mind, and head, but this specifically is the forehead. The same goes for the very specific phrase "the right hand". If it were symbolic/spiritual, to mean what we do with our hands then there would be no reason or sense of specifically saying the right hand. 🤔 Bible Interpretation 101-if the plain words of the text seem to make literal sense, seek no other sense or it will be nonsense. The other big and important point being that if it were symbolic or not a real mark, there is no way to know or verify who actually has it. Anyone could just say they have it, and its impossible to check someone's thoughts or secret motive in their heart. If it were symbolic, (not a real mark of rfid chip or something injected and scannable) then there's no way to enforce who can buy and who can sell and who can't. Even as we speak, there are multiple cases of people paying big money to get "fake" vaccine passports, and then getting caught and being fined or facing charges. Obviously they have something visible, literal, physical that can be verified and are able to tell the real (physical) passport, from the false ( but still visible, physical) counterfeit. It's the same as counterfeit money. Lots of converging signs- Exciting times brothers and sisters.
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Post by mike on Nov 30, 2021 11:56:25 GMT -6
disciple4life - My point in my post is that it is not clearly a physical mark that the servants of the Lord receive. Could those who worship the beast have a literal mark, probably its likely, since those who will follow and worship the beast are spiritually dead and not able to discern the things of the spirit (1 Cor 2:14). But the context of Eze 8-9 is during a vision, in the spirit: 8:1 It came about in the sixth year, on the fifth [day] of the sixth month, as I was sitting in my house with the elders of Judah sitting before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell on me there. 3 He stretched out the form of a hand and caught me by a lock of my head; and the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem. This continues into 9 ...And He called to the man clothed in linen at whose loins was the writing case. 4 The LORD said to him, "Go through the midst of the city, [even] through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations which are being committed in its midst."These that sigh and groan over the abominations are me, you, venge, BSG, those who love the Lord...Are 'we' already marked in this same manner? Will we be if we arent already?
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Post by disciple4life on Nov 30, 2021 14:25:29 GMT -6
Hey mike. Thanks for the clarification. 😉 I agree with you that in the example /passage of Ezekiel you cited it could have been symbolic and I also agree with you that the support for that is in the point that it was in a vision. On the other hand, it doesn't necessarily mean that it had to be symbolic/or that it 100% wasn't real. There are several examples of people in scripture who received visions and the dream or vision itself was not tangible- the vision was a message in advance of something that was real, or something real that happened or came to pass later. We have countless examples of this with the OT prophets and perhaps the best examples are the many visions and dreams of Joseph which were precurs or warning of something very real which came later. Also,the context of John's Revelation is very different from that of Ezekiel and we are told explicitly that part of the vision are specific end times things and events that will happen. I have pushed back in another forum [other watchmen and end-times guys on various video channels] against those who spread fear and lies- making the claim that the jab IS the mark, because none of the single characteristics of the mark in scripture are in fully in place, even if for a moment, we totally set aside the pre-trib view.
No 3rd Temple, no red heifer, no 2 witnesses, no world leader anywhere is demanding everyone in the world worship him, the AC has not been revealed, and there is not even a one world religion, or one world government, but we can clearly see the stage is being set. In a few places,like Lithuania and a few other places, unvaxed people can't go to gyms, malls, hair salons, and use public transport, the fact is that in most countries of the world there are countless open air markets and small shops where people can still buy things. The other thing that most of people who say the jab IS the mark, don't understand, or don't factor in, is that the majority of people get the jab in their left arm, (nondominant arm). But when we see all the lies and converging signs around the virus, and the totalitarian censorship against those who share different alternative treatments like Ivermectin and Hydroxycloroquine and how many doctors are being fired and people losing their livelihoods, while congress is exempt, its easy to understand how people like Steve Fletcher and Jerry Toney etc are connecting the dots. We can see lots of real physical features, that are getting the pieces in place for the eventual Mark.
I don't remember exactly who said it, but I think you, mike, made the point that the mark is both, real and symbolic and I definitely agree 1000%. The Mark of the Beast is real, literal, something that is scannable, verifiable, but there's clearly a spiritual element as well, due to the way that it's explicitly linked to worship of the beast and its effect is permanent-no going back and ones fate is doomed. Because of this, many scholars and end times students believe that it changes / somehow permanently alters your DNA.
I also am not dogmatic that it IS literally a microchip or that it is literally visible on the skin like a conventional tattoo, but we're seeing advanced technology already in use which not only tracks you but also is linked to your banking/financial system. China's social credit scoring. If the Tribulation started this Hannukah, and we are still here, the technology is already in place. They just need to crash the current world economic system. IMO World War III wouldn't do that, but a world-wide instant paranormal disappearance event sure would. 😉🤔 Hmmm.
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