Thank you, bondservant. It seems to me that he has a nice balance. I tend to think that if a person has Jesus as their Savior, then He will start convicting them of things because He is Lord. He'll probably work on them a bit at a time (based on personal experience). Like your pastor said, we can't judge because we don't know where that person is at (my paraphrase). We can have Him as Savior, but I think to really experience life to the full then we must see Him as Lord.
If I understand the Lordship Salvation thing, you aren't truly saved until you make Him your Lord. But, I see it more like this video and the one Mike shared. We can be saved because that's what Jesus does. I think your pastor is more clear though that once we are saved, in order to be in relationship with Him then we must understand that He is Lord. He will convict, and discipline, and train us. We could just go on sinning and live however we want, but that's not what He wants for us.
It fits in with the sermon Mike posted on wandering. You can be saved and not be in relationship, but what kind of abundant life is that?
Is 26:3 You keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on You, because he trusts in You.
I think it was Jack Kelley who made a good distinction between fellowship and relationship. Fellowship is like companionship, but relationship is simply how one relates.
I could have a prodigal son who wanders off and we no longer have a fellowship, but we still have a relationship—he's forever related to me by blood, he's my son. He'll always be my son.
Parents Children Coworkers Friends Masters Slaves Servants Employers Rulers
These are all different types of relations a person might have, and regardless of how close they might be, they remain in that relationship by virtue of the relationship itself.
Same thing with salvation. If someone has genuine faith that Christ died for their sins and rose again, than the very second they believed the Holy Spirit resuscitated their spirit and adopted them into the family of God. They are now sealed forever. But sin can very quickly dissolve the fellowship, hence 1 Cor. 3, among other passages, describing some who will be saved by the bare minimum (faith).
"For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures."
boymaker: I've been inviting people here that I meet on Twitter. Thanks for being here for those of us who are so late in the game. It's such a blessing to fall into this site and to participate in the conversations of Bereans.
Aug 11, 2020 19:29:41 GMT -6
leewiggins63: I would venture to say the uptick in quakes has to do with wormwood. Magnetic north normally moves 9 miles per year. Currently, it's moving @ 37 miles per/yr and getting faster. It's orbit is i think 3600 or 3800 yrs.
Aug 11, 2020 20:03:04 GMT -6
leewiggins63: And, the last time it made it's transit was about the time the Mayans disappeared. Just a guess.
Aug 11, 2020 20:04:00 GMT -6
leewiggins63: seems there's a club,they mock our God, gates is married to a man(tranny), as well as, nadler, schumer and obviously obama. im sure more. gates wife (?) wears an upside down cross necklace as does chelsea clinton
Aug 12, 2020 9:47:58 GMT -6
leewiggins63: unable to read the nytimes article as i dont have a subscription
Aug 12, 2020 9:59:01 GMT -6
anon: Lunation 1212 in December 2020 is 40 synodic months from the Revelation 12 sign. Lunations are commonly counted from 1923. Revelation 12 sign was on 9/23. Winter solstice has a Jupiter/Saturn conjunction while Sun is at the Golden Gate with Mercury.
Aug 12, 2020 10:18:11 GMT -6
mike: Thx Lee, me either (NY Times)
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EnochWalked: It seems we are close to the 50 year Jubilee of that date, and I'm wondering if there is some spiritual dimension to the sudden societal change. All I can think of is that Roe v. Wade went to the Supreme Court in 1970 (being decided in January 1973).
Aug 12, 2020 13:58:38 GMT -6
boraddict: My research is showing that the 2nd woe (Rev. 9:13-21) is the fall of Babylon (Rev. 17:11-18).
Aug 12, 2020 16:05:08 GMT -6