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Post by kjs on Jul 1, 2019 15:01:13 GMT -6
EnochWalked posted this in the SHOUT Box and I moved it to it's own thread ........ ARTICLE
This Article is slightly on the "FUNNY" side .... (in a weird sort of way when you put all the pieces together).....
So Check it ....
- We have a country which SWEARS they do not have Nuclear weapons (even so much so they signed a non-nuclear agreement....)
-- Yet , they turn around and threaten Israel with complete destruction (which could only happen because of several nuclear bombs)
-- Even though they KNOW that Israel Has the Iron Shield (or whatever they are calling it now days) where they can knock 90% of the incoming missiles out of the air.
--Also the Palestinians (those poor folk that everyone wants to divide Israel up so these people can have a "home-land") would be the hardest hit with any missile attacks.
-- So I would say this article announcement is Half -Wistful Thinking .... and Half Arrogant Lying ............
--BUT say even if this announcement is 100% Truth -- not one mention of what the God of Israel would do in response........
Definitely moving into a fast approaching future -- where the God of Abraham -- will turn out to be a Liar --- as many in the Middle-East see things
OR The creator of the Universe -- is going to be stepping back in the scene again...........
I Am waiting for the Later ....... Since I know King Jesus will soon to be returning...............
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 1:44:18 GMT -6
kjs, you're right, this is at least partially one of the funny side want to add some remarks from my viewpoint to that, if you don't mind We know from Isaiah 17:3 that apparently Israel will suffer some damage in the context of Isaiah 17, which I believe, will occur around Ez 38 (shortly before or in conjunction): "The fortress will disappear from Ephraim..." The utterings from this Iranian MP are typically for the mid-east mindset: loud-mouthed You may remember other expressions from former times: "mother of all battles" and several more The language of these cultures is not really compatible with the western world and in no way with the politically correct scrap we are confronted with all the time. Nevertheless I regard these statements as a hint to the coming wars. Despite these extremely hostile statements from Iranian officials, the EU governments are still clinging to the unspeakable JCPOA. Sad to see these blindfolded (EU) politicians ignoring these serious threats. They will have to learn it the hard way that abandoning Israel will result in being cursed by the true and living God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
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Post by venge on Jul 4, 2019 7:16:31 GMT -6
Is this anti christ Israel or Christ following Israel?
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Post by disciple4life on Nov 10, 2019 8:02:25 GMT -6
Is this anti christ Israel or Christ following Israel? *Disclaimer. I know that kjs said this article was funny, so it just made me wonder if you were also joking.? There is no anti-Christ Israel and suggesting so is grossly offensive. Whatever you think about Jews and Israel they are God's chosen people and their eyes are temporarily blinded, but they will come to faith again.🤔 So they dont follow Christ yet. He will provoke them to jealousy when he takes a Gentile bride at the Rapture. Scipture says God would bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse her.
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Post by Natalie on Nov 10, 2019 15:35:33 GMT -6
Venge, maybe you can clarify what you mean by your word choice. Would there be a better way to say it because the term "anti-christ" can carry all kinds of meaning.
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Post by venge on Nov 11, 2019 5:28:43 GMT -6
Is this anti christ Israel or Christ following Israel? *Disclaimer. I know that kjs said this article was funny, so it just made me wonder if you were also joking.? There is no anti-Christ Israel and suggesting so is grossly offensive. Whatever you think about Jews and Israel they are God's chosen people and their eyes are temporarily blinded, but they will come to faith again.🤔 So they dont follow Christ yet. He will provoke them to jealousy when he takes a Gentile bride at the Rapture. Scipture says God would bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse her. The one that denies the son also denies the Father and is an anti Christ which the Jews are. Romans 11:28 says they are enemies of the gospel. My reply above was not talking about the election. I asked, is what was posted Israel today that are anti christ, against the son and enemy to the gospel. Or, is this Israel where Jew and Gentile have been brought into Christ together in the future? You said there is no anti christ Israel...Israel today is against the son and therefore anti christ. That doesn’t mean to avoid them. They need Christ as much as you and I. They need people to speak to them and friend them so that they see his bright light working in us. With regard to blessing Israel, Israel was to be God’s holy people, zealous of good works. That is not Israel today. Remember, not all who are Israel are OF Israel! True Israel are those that do the Fathers will. Bless those and you’ll be blessed.
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Post by fitz on Nov 11, 2019 9:49:25 GMT -6
"God’s unconditional promises are not invalidated by the unfaithfulness of man. Nothing we do is ever a surprise to God, and He does not need to adjust His plans according to the way we behave. No, God is sovereign over all things—past, present and future—and what He has foreordained for both Israel and the Church will come to pass, regardless of circumstances. Romans 3:3-4 explains that Israel’s unbelief would not nullify His promises concerning them: “What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God's faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: ‘So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.’" "Promises made to Israel are still going to be kept in the future. We can be sure that all God has said is true and will take place, because of His character and consistency. The Church does not replace Israel and should not expect a symbolic fulfillment of the promises of the Old Covenant. As one reads Scripture, it is necessary to keep Israel and the Church separate." www.gotquestions.org/Israel-church.html
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Post by raindrop on Nov 11, 2019 10:12:03 GMT -6
fitz, Natalie, disciple4life, Amen to that Fitz. Israel is not like any other people or nation. They are CHOSEN. Almighty God CHOSE them as His people. His covenant with the Jewish people is everlasting. They have been blinded in part for our sake. If one has knowledge of scripture, one would know this. Not try and pick it apart to suit some other agenda. I fully understand that forums need to be polite and keep the peace, but tolerating any form of replacement theology or "Jew bashing" should be severely rebuked. Venge is skating on very thin ice. While I admire the polite restraint on this forum - sometimes it's okay to get angry. I am furious! There is no excuse for this.
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Post by raindrop on Nov 11, 2019 10:53:12 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 11:13:54 GMT -6
And here is a great teaching, why (true) Christians should support Israel. Based solidly on scripture!
Sad to see that so many people within the church are ignoring this.
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Post by mike on Nov 11, 2019 11:54:30 GMT -6
venge said: The promises to Israel state that when God said 'forever' or 'everlasting' He didnt until a certain time, He meant forever. Jesus came to the Jews (first) and although the very vast majority of them flat out reject Him as the Messiah, that does not negate the fact that He is still the Messiah to the Jewish people (the Olive Tree) and we who are gentile (and grafted in as a wild branch) are also able to receive the Savior. We see this same pattern throughout the OT If this topic were to be discussed further it should be done in a new thread. It should also be handled in a manner where it is Q&A like "why doesnt the church replace (physical) Israel" or "how does the church fit into the promises..." or "does Israel receive different handling by God than others" or anything in the manner that will help to develop a better understanding of the Lords character as it pertains to the questions that arise from this topic. The understanding should also be that some may not fully understand this topic regardless of which side they reside. raindrop said: This site is more than just politeness and peace keeping raindrop. We share, teach, encourage, build up one another in the love of Christ. First I will say I do not see Jew bashing in the above, and per rule 2 I do not see anything written as racist. The site is to learn and grow. As I allude above, not all are in agreement. Not all see things clearly today, but may see more tomorrow and with that we need to be gracious to those who may or may not understand what we currently understand. The way you've written your reply causes me to think that you assume Venge meant this a deliberate attack. Humor me for a moment - lets just say that someone taught this to him over the weekend and he was coming here to vet out that teaching. Is the response provided proper given a potential lack of understanding?(rhetorical)As a theme to this forum I ask that if something someone writes a post upsets you and it cannot be clearly determined that the intent is malicious in nature, please contact one of the moderators via email or report the post and we will review to determine the next step.
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Post by raindrop on Nov 11, 2019 13:01:14 GMT -6
mike, I hope you received my reply. Let me know please. And your decision.
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Post by venge on Nov 11, 2019 13:01:35 GMT -6
fitz , Natalie , disciple4life , Amen to that Fitz. Israel is not like any other people or nation. They are CHOSEN. Almighty God CHOSE them as His people. His covenant with the Jewish people is everlasting. They have been blinded in part for our sake. If one has knowledge of scripture, one would know this. Not try and pick it apart to suit some other agenda.I fully understand that forums need to be polite and keep the peace, but tolerating any form of replacement theology or "Jew bashing" should be severely rebuked. Venge is skating on very thin ice. While I admire the polite restraint on this forum - sometimes it's okay to get angry. I am furious! There is no excuse for this. That does not sound loving, coming from you. You are right, the Jews were chosen by God and when they rebelled and done wickedly, God said: But yes, the nation will provoke Israel to jealousy and in the end bring them to God through faith in Christ. Is this replacement theology or scripture? You said: Are you saying I have no knowledge of scripture and have some hidden agenda? It seems to me that you are trying to invalidate my words and therefore break rule #3. Because I see something that you do not, does not invalidate it. God will judge me on that day that he rewards his people and his kingdom comes at the 7th Trumpet. What agenda would I be trying to put forth? When in this forum, have I ever had an agenda against a people or for a people? Not once.
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Post by venge on Nov 11, 2019 13:14:52 GMT -6
Romans 9:6 Which means the church is also Israel. And as the verses continue about coming from the seed of faith, not flesh, we see in verse 25 Which is us today, which is part of Israel. Why? So when I say Israel, true Israel is the bride. Made up of all the tribes of the earth. Not just the 12. And God shows us just because Israel is the seed of Abraham, doesnt make them children of God (verse 7). Israel is that which are of the seed of faith just as we are Jews inwardly by circumcision of the heart.
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Post by mike on Nov 11, 2019 13:23:05 GMT -6
mike , I hope you received my reply. Let me know please. And your decision. I know of no reply other than this one?
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