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Post by yardstick on Jul 17, 2019 23:09:45 GMT -6
Saw this today...https://nypost.com/2019/07/14/swedish-people-are-getting-chip-implants-to-replace-cash-credit-cards/ Always wondered if this is how the mark of the beast will present itself.............. as cwood85 previously indicated (the hypothesis that the mark has been here for a long time already), I believe we are starting to see the beta testing; not just in Sweden, but in the U.S. as well. There was an article a while back about a company in Wisconsin (or Minnesota, Im not sure which) which had workers who were offered the voluntary opportunity to get a chip implant. Some have hypothesized that the 'alpha' test has been going on in the U.S. for about a hundred years now. Incidentally, I have heard it said that King David got in a little trouble for attempting to 'number' the people. That is, not count the people, but [assign a] number. To each one. 2 Samuel 24
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Post by stormyknight on Jul 18, 2019 5:17:54 GMT -6
So, do you mean to say that our Social Security number/system would be the alpha test, yardstick,? At first I was thinking, no, that couldn't be because we don't get to choose, but if it's just a test, something like the chip, something we can choose, is coming and is already in the beta test. That could be! Combine that with the social credit system China is testing and you have complete control over the society. Not only buying and selling, but who we interact with, even our current health statistics like BP and heart rate which could also reveal how we feel about things... Scary stuff.
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Post by yardstick on Jul 19, 2019 0:08:47 GMT -6
So, do you mean to say that our Social Security number/system would be the alpha test, yardstick ,? At first I was thinking, no, that couldn't be because we don't get to choose, but if it's just a test, something like the chip, something we can choose, is coming and is already in the beta test. That could be! Combine that with the social credit system China is testing and you have complete control over the society. Not only buying and selling, but who we interact with, even our current health statistics like BP and heart rate which could also reveal how we feel about things... Scary stuff. That would be a good hypothesis. Reading the Social Security Act and the Privacy Act (both of which were at one point part of training for US military in personnel administration) could be eye-opening. The fun part is that with a simple revision to the first (and/or enforcement of one of the specific provisions - provided that 'teeth' are added), identity theft (amongst other things) could become a thing of the past. But that conversation would take us off topic...
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Post by cwood85 on Jul 19, 2019 7:41:12 GMT -6
Saw this today...https://nypost.com/2019/07/14/swedish-people-are-getting-chip-implants-to-replace-cash-credit-cards/ Always wondered if this is how the mark of the beast will present itself.............. as cwood85 previously indicated (the hypothesis that the mark has been here for a long time already), I believe we are starting to see the beta testing; not just in Sweden, but in the U.S. as well. There was an article a while back about a company in Wisconsin (or Minnesota, Im not sure which) which had workers who were offered the voluntary opportunity to get a chip implant. Some have hypothesized that the 'alpha' test has been going on in the U.S. for about a hundred years now. Incidentally, I have heard it said that King David got in a little trouble for attempting to 'number' the people. That is, not count the people, but [assign a] number. To each one. 2 Samuel 24This isn't something in beta testing. The Romans numbered people. That is actually where the numbering system many use here to decipher what a word means and numerology came from. Numbers were assigned to individual letters and then peoples names were converted to a number based on the letters in their name and that was their "identification" number. The Romans used this to track for taxes, population, income and etc. It essentially worked the same way a social security number does now and that is where governments today got the idea from for tracking, controlling and identification. The control and use of monetary instruments has been around for a very long time. No one can get anywhere in this world w/o having either physical or electronic money which always has the image of man on it. Ever wonder why that is? Is there a government system on this planet whose image is not imprinted on money? Not that I am aware of. Governments, rulers, dictators and important people are imprinted on money. The beast is a beast system of man and the image of the beast is imprinted for all to see. It isn't going to matter if it is in the form of a chip, card, phone, whatever because all of it has to come from a bank account of some sort and bank accounts are controlled by governments. Even if you do not use a bank account and only utilize cash, that is traceable too. I worked at a bank for a long time and everything is monitored and tracked. Can't walk into a Kroger with a nice watch or jewels and buy your groceries, gotta have cash. What we buy and sell is already controlled with money because we cannot do anything without it. If you walk into a car dealership with over $5000.00 in cash to buy a car or anywhere something can be bought and sold, they are legally obligated to fill out what is called a CTR (Currency transaction report) and that is sent to the federal government. Anything done over $3000 in cash can warrant a suspicious activity report to be done. What makes someone "marked" with the image of the beast? Do we let money control us or we control the money? Is money a persons god and rules their life or can they be content with the things they have? Look at people who win the lottery in the millions and are broke within a couple of years. They let money become their god and then went down a path of destruction as they let the money and use of it plague their life. They worshipped it instead of letting God lead them with it or doing good with it.
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Post by venge on Jul 30, 2019 10:44:31 GMT -6
To follow up on cwood85The mark given to God’s children is a spiritual mark. In Ezekiel, the man with the inkhorn marked all who cried out about what was happening. The others were slain starting at the temple. The spiritually marked were saved. If money is the mark, is that not a spiritual matter too? Is not all of the Bible a spiritual matter? If God marks some to be saved, wouldn’t others be marked that are wicked? Or, if the unclean, the murderers, the blasphemous, idolatrous etc..all those that won’t inherit the KoG, are they marked with the beast because of the path they had chosen? Can you be an idolater and not be marked? I think the mark is a spiritual condition of mankind. I read a really good article today asking : are you a Luke warm Christian? Boy was it scary. One point spoke about if how holy and zealous for Christ you are. How often do you spread the gospel, how often do you watch R movies etc..and it goes on. Does everything you do and say and watch—is it HOLY and clean and acceptable and is it for his glory? Or is it for your glory or your enjoyment.... When the mark is setup, remember that most light is removed and there is more darkness then ever. Think of it like this: If the Tribulation started today, and we were all here, Christians died, massive persecution, wars, good chance the USA will not be a super power, economic turmoil causing money to be worthless. Think of the USA being like Venezuela. No medicine, food may be scarce or just too expensive. With all this going on, what type of person will you be? Will you allow strangers looking for shelter into your home? Maybe let strangers stay in an apartment you rent put normally for free? With the small amount of food you have for your children, would you horde it or give it to others freely? Man will be tested, their spiritual condition. Their true motive. If America was to be destroyed would you cry or would you acknowledge that if it were to be so, it’s commanded by God. All of this happened in 70AD and will happen again on a wider scale. The people that take the mark are in agreement with the practice of this kingdom of Iron. They accept it and believe in it. They are it’s driving force. What we need is discernment to know good from evil in all things to rightly understand so that we are spiritually awake and can “see” that we do not become drunk as others are
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Post by venge on Jul 31, 2019 3:22:55 GMT -6
I should add, what if the mark is not so transparent? What I mean is, what if this spiritual wickedness is ideological or if it’s nationalistic or if it’s political. Think about that. Country before God’s laws. Political party because the way I vote matters more then God’s laws or ideological whereas I think I’m doing good when in fact it’s wrong. But it’s the lesser evil of the 2.
I don’t see it as a microchip. It’s gotta be easy, something in the heart of man. Something that says you loved wickedness more than the truth.
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Post by stormyknight on Jul 31, 2019 7:21:49 GMT -6
I agree, venge, I think it will be an obvious choice and it will most definitely have to do with money. 'won't be able to buy or sell...' But as far as public opinion on it, I'm thinking it will be similar to this Anti-Vax thing going on. Meaning, if you don't take the mark, you will be looked down upon. Like it will be a 'no-brainer', "why wouldn't you do this?", "only an idiot wouldn't do this!" or any other sentiment that has been expressed about not getting vaccinated. Peer pressure will most likely take a part in this as well.
I don't know, I just hope I'm not here when it happens and I feel terrible for those who will struggle with the choice and sad for those who choose unwisely and passively. "oh well, gotta feed the kids..."
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Post by venge on Jul 31, 2019 8:06:25 GMT -6
I agree, venge, I think it will be an obvious choice and it will most definitely have to do with money. 'won't be able to buy or sell...' But as far as public opinion on it, I'm thinking it will be similar to this Anti-Vax thing going on. Meaning, if you don't take the mark, you will be looked down upon. Like it will be a 'no-brainer', "why wouldn't you do this?", "only an idiot wouldn't do this!" or any other sentiment that has been expressed about not getting vaccinated. Peer pressure will most likely take a part in this as well.
I don't know, I just hope I'm not here when it happens and I feel terrible for those who will struggle with the choice and sad for those who choose unwisely and passively. "oh well, gotta feed the kids..." The passage though is still cryptic. If the mark is spiritual and the ones who take it show their dark side, is the number spiritual? I’d say yes. Then is the buy and sell spiritual too? What are the Greeks words for buy and sell and their definitions and connotations. I haven’t looked into it yet. I prefer to look at all avenues especially if this is a spiritual matter, all the text may be or may not be.
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Post by stormyknight on Jul 31, 2019 9:48:52 GMT -6
to buy: agorázō (from 58 /agorá, "the ancient marketplace, town-center") – properly, to make purchases in the marketplace ("agora"), i.e. as ownership transfers from seller to buyer.
to sell: póleó: to exchange or barter, to sell; Probably ultimately from pelomai (to be busy, to trade); to barter (as a pedlar), i.e. To sell -- sell, whatever is sold.
Also, the word used for "mark" is 'charagma', or 5480 xáragma – properly, an engraving (etching); (figuratively) a mark providing undeniable identification, like a symbol giving irrefutable connection between parties. 5480 /xáragma ("brand-mark") was originally any impress on a coin or a seal, used by an engraver on a die (stamp, branding iron). 5480 (xáragma) later became "the identification-marker" (like with an owner's unique "brand-mark").
I don't know, venge, it looks pretty straight forward to me in the language used that it has to do with buying and selling using money of some sort. A physical transaction.
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Post by venge on Jul 31, 2019 12:01:55 GMT -6
to buy: agorázō (from 58 /agorá, "the ancient marketplace, town-center") – properly, to make purchases in the marketplace ("agora"), i.e. as ownership transfers from seller to buyer.
to sell: póleó: to exchange or barter, to sell; Probably ultimately from pelomai (to be busy, to trade); to barter (as a pedlar), i.e. To sell -- sell, whatever is sold.
Also, the word used for "mark" is 'charagma', or 5480 xáragma – properly, an engraving (etching); (figuratively) a mark providing undeniable identification, like a symbol giving irrefutable connection between parties. 5480 /xáragma ("brand-mark") was originally any impress on a coin or a seal, used by an engraver on a die (stamp, branding iron). 5480 (xáragma) later became "the identification-marker" (like with an owner's unique "brand-mark").
I don't know, venge, it looks pretty straight forward to me in the language used that it has to do with buying and selling using money of some sort. A physical transaction. The buy and sell maybe physical. The mark can be a persons identification which can be spiritual. Identify with Christ or belial.. The buy as a marketplace or towncenter with sell as trade is interesting. Sounds like the NYT stock exchange! Lol Just for fun as a hypothetical, if the stock market crashed because of war or some other reason...would those that lost wealth (mammon) and became unruly by it be marked whereas those that lost too but were content because they had Christ...well, do you see where I’m going with it? Lot’s wife was escaping destruction but she looked back. Her heart was the sinful city, the wickedness there, her things and her house. In Matthew Christ says when the scourge comes, don’t go back to the city but flee. Don’t go back for your coat or food etc, material things. And materialism is linked with buy and sell. If Babylon is destroyed and all the buyers and sellers and traders and those in shipping cry, how does that factor into buy and sell when the beast is setup rather than today? Edit: unless the buy and sell had ceased because of Babylons destruction and someone is able to get these fancy goods in by other means. Would wanting these things supersede need? I don’t think needing items is the mark, it’s the wanting/lusting/coveting of unneeded things. Hmm
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Post by yardstick on Jul 31, 2019 22:59:50 GMT -6
to buy: agorázō (from 58 /agorá, "the ancient marketplace, town-center") – properly, to make purchases in the marketplace ("agora"), i.e. as ownership transfers from seller to buyer.
to sell: póleó: to exchange or barter, to sell; Probably ultimately from pelomai (to be busy, to trade); to barter (as a pedlar), i.e. To sell -- sell, whatever is sold.
Also, the word used for "mark" is 'charagma', or 5480 xáragma – properly, an engraving (etching); (figuratively) a mark providing undeniable identification, like a symbol giving irrefutable connection between parties. 5480 /xáragma ("brand-mark") was originally any impress on a coin or a seal, used by an engraver on a die (stamp, branding iron). 5480 (xáragma) later became "the identification-marker" (like with an owner's unique "brand-mark").
I don't know, venge , it looks pretty straight forward to me in the language used that it has to do with buying and selling using money of some sort. A physical transaction. the common word we use is "commerce"...
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Post by mike on Aug 1, 2019 4:24:10 GMT -6
I lean towards it being a visible mark but am not fully convinced. Other biblical text involving a mark
Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Was the mark visible to others to quell Cain's fear that someone else would murder him. I think it suggests such. Why would the Lord place a mark on Cain that was not physically visible?
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Post by cwood85 on Aug 3, 2019 20:49:45 GMT -6
The major financial breeches that have been exposed reveal some rather interesting information.
Equifax, one of three credit reporting companies was hacked. Over 147 million peoples information was breeched in an identity theft plot. I learned something today that I didn’t know or even gave a second thought about because this process of a credit score has always existed in my lifetime. What I learned was how these credit companies make money and have basically become the controlling force of what a person is able to do financially. Basically how much bondage can one be placed under or lessen its grips.
Credit Bureaus make money by collecting all of our financial data and payment history via our social security number and selling it to make it available for whoever needs to see it and use it to determine if someone can purchase a car, phone, utilities, a place to live by either renting or mortgaging, car insurance rates, cable, open a bank account or practically any type of account.
A persons credit score is even checked when they apply for a job and is a determining factor in their job eligibility. All of this information is collected on us without our consent and sold off to be used either against or for us without our constant. We get no compensation of any sort for our personal information being bought and sold against our will. It has been happening for so long however that majority have developed Stockholm syndrome and accept it as a normal part of life. Most of us try to do what we can to in an essence keep up a good grade by constantly working to have a high credit score. The spectrum of things that a persons credit score can be compared to or used as a determining factor for what seems to be a growing number of necessities is growing broader and broader.
What is our credit scores main function? It’s used to control how is loaned and how deserving a person is to do business with or to employ. It’s all about money.
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Post by venge on Aug 4, 2019 12:06:27 GMT -6
The major financial breeches that have been exposed reveal some rather interesting information. Equifax, one of three credit reporting companies was hacked. Over 147 million peoples information was breeched in an identity theft plot. I learned something today that I didn’t know or even gave a second thought about because this process of a credit score has always existed in my lifetime. What I learned was how these credit companies make money and have basically become the controlling force of what a person is able to do financially. Basically how much bondage can one be placed under or lessen its grips. Credit Bureaus make money by collecting all of our financial data and payment history via our social security number and selling it to make it available for whoever needs to see it and use it to determine if someone can purchase a car, phone, utilities, a place to live by either renting or mortgaging, car insurance rates, cable, open a bank account or practically any type of account. A persons credit score is even checked when they apply for a job and is a determining factor in their job eligibility. All of this information is collected on us without our consent and sold off to be used either against or for us without our constant. We get no compensation of any sort for our personal information being bought and sold against our will. It has been happening for so long however that majority have developed Stockholm syndrome and accept it as a normal part of life. Most of us try to do what we can to in an essence keep up a good grade by constantly working to have a high credit score. The spectrum of things that a persons credit score can be compared to or used as a determining factor for what seems to be a growing number of necessities is growing broader and broader. What is our credit scores main function? It’s used to control how is loaned and how deserving a person is to do business with or to employ. It’s all about money. Not just money, but its about a persons habits. It is about if a person is trustworthy to repay that debt. It details a persons "lusts" in what they buy or what they watch, listen to, read etc... exposing this persons characteristics to whoever.
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Post by rockito on Aug 25, 2019 23:47:40 GMT -6
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