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Nov 6, 2018 14:48:06 GMT -6
Post by bondservant on Nov 6, 2018 14:48:06 GMT -6
This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
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Nov 6, 2018 19:33:41 GMT -6
Post by boraddict on Nov 6, 2018 19:33:41 GMT -6
The link "wisdom" from Rev. 13:18 is to "wisdom" in Rev. 17:9. This verse (17:9) gives a slight indicator that the beast of 13:18 is the seventh beast. Thus, the seventh beast has the number 666. The one before the seventh (v. 13:12) is the beast of Verse 17:3 (the sixth). The one that follows the seventh is the eighth as found in Verse 13:1.
Thus: beast number 6 is found in Verse 17:3, the one that is, the woman sits upon this beast beast number 7 is found in Verse 13:11, this is beast 666 that is Francis, the one that is to come, the woman sits upon this beast beast number 8 is found in Verse 13:1, Francis is blasphemy upon the heads, the woman has been removed and Francis' puppet rules the earth for 3.5 years.
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Nov 7, 2018 6:52:00 GMT -6
Post by socalexile on Nov 7, 2018 6:52:00 GMT -6
Problem is that Greek script in your pic is from a MUCH later book. John wouldn't have written it that way.
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Nov 7, 2018 7:25:47 GMT -6
Post by bondservant on Nov 7, 2018 7:25:47 GMT -6
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Nov 7, 2018 7:28:39 GMT -6
Post by bondservant on Nov 7, 2018 7:28:39 GMT -6
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Post by boraddict on Nov 7, 2018 10:45:26 GMT -6
Socal, perhaps John wrote in Hebrew and it was translated into Greek at a later date. In your opinion, what script would fit the time-frame?
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Nov 7, 2018 12:00:07 GMT -6
Post by bondservant on Nov 7, 2018 12:00:07 GMT -6
If John wrote the Book of Revelation in Hebrew then: “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” - Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Revelation 22:13 would look more like this: I am the Aleph א & the Tav ת ... Revelation 1:12-13 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man There are 7 Hebrew Words in Genesis 1:1 the 4th being the Aleph א & the Tav ת thu ( which is not even translated ) confirming John 1:1 that Jesus was in the beginning and spoke everything into existence. biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/1-1.htm
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Post by boraddict on Nov 7, 2018 13:34:14 GMT -6
If John wrote the Book of Revelation in Hebrew then: “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” - Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Revelation 22:13 would look more like this: I am the Aleph א & the Tav ת ... Revelation 1:12-13 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man There are 7 Hebrew Words in Genesis 1:1 the 4th being the Aleph א & the Tav ת thu ( which is not even translated ) confirming John 1:1 that Jesus was in the beginning and spoke everything into existence. biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/1-1.htm
The reason that I mentioned Hebrew is that a scholar (N. Gordon) claims that he can show that some of the NT works were originally in Hebrew. As I recall, he mentioned Matthew and perhaps another gospel work. I will try and find that reference.
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Nov 7, 2018 14:07:45 GMT -6
Post by bondservant on Nov 7, 2018 14:07:45 GMT -6
The reason that I mentioned Hebrew is that a scholar (N. Gordon) claims that he can show that some of the NT works were originally in Hebrew. As I recall, he mentioned Matthew and perhaps another gospel work. I will try and find that reference.
That would be amazing to study. Have you ever heard anyone break OT letter by letter since every letter is actually a word, number & a pictograph? Example: Elohim = Psalm 23
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Nov 7, 2018 17:48:52 GMT -6
Post by socalexile on Nov 7, 2018 17:48:52 GMT -6
Socal, perhaps John wrote in Hebrew and it was translated into Greek at a later date. In your opinion, what script would fit the time-frame? There isn't evidence of that, and why would there be when it was written to be read by 7 GREEK churches, so it makes no sense to write it in Hebrew. Regardless, Greek wasn't written that way at the time, and the book Shoebat took the script was taken from was a Latin one from the 18 or 19th century IIRC. Only Matthew has been proposed as being written in Hebrew or Aramaic originally, based on how the Greek appears in it. There is no hard textual evidence to support the claim, it's based on internal evidence and is a theory. BTW, "600, 60 and 6" is written with 4 characters in Hebrew (the Monster drink cans would say "18" in Hebrew).
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Nov 7, 2018 19:43:06 GMT -6
Post by barbiosheepgirl on Nov 7, 2018 19:43:06 GMT -6
This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666. Well, I did read a book by TW Tramm called the Days of Awe, in it he brings up this lettering and draws a comparison with some Islamic head-dresses (bandannas). I have no opinion on what he wrote. Just reporting it. I do know that in my trying to understand what gematria is, and hold it out there at arms length, neither embracing nor refuting, I came across this site with many interesting words and combo of words that equal 666 www.amatteroftruth.com/666-and-gematria
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Nov 7, 2018 21:22:17 GMT -6
Post by boraddict on Nov 7, 2018 21:22:17 GMT -6
The beast in question has a secondary number that is 666; because, this is the number of the man. That is, the government has a leader and his number is 666. The government itself; however, is beast number 7 and Daniel shows this to be the bear; Russia. Thus, the man presides over Russia, and that man is Francis.
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Nov 8, 2018 9:15:09 GMT -6
Post by boraddict on Nov 8, 2018 9:15:09 GMT -6
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Nov 8, 2018 11:34:50 GMT -6
Post by venge on Nov 8, 2018 11:34:50 GMT -6
The link "wisdom" from Rev. 13:18 is to "wisdom" in Rev. 17:9. This verse (17:9) gives a slight indicator that the beast of 13:18 is the seventh beast. Thus, the seventh beast has the number 666. The one before the seventh (v. 13:12) is the beast of Verse 17:3 (the sixth). The one that follows the seventh is the eighth as found in Verse 13:1. Thus: beast number 6 is found in Verse 17:3, the one that is, the woman sits upon this beast beast number 7 is found in Verse 13:11, this is beast 666 that is Francis, the one that is to come, the woman sits upon this beast beast number 8 is found in Verse 13:1, Francis is blasphemy upon the heads, the woman has been removed and Francis' puppet rules the earth for 3.5 years. Your comment is confusing. The 4th beast is of the 7 beasts before it (Rev 17:11). Each beast kingdom had 1 king. The 8th beast, which is the 4th kingdom of the statue and the 8th kingdom of the world, is the beast that is 666. It is an exact representation of the kingdom preceding Rome (the one that is) as John learned that it was before John's time.... is no more during John's time and yet it will come again AFTER John's time. As it precedes Rome, it cannot be Rome. I don't see any indicator showing or eluding to the 7th beast which exists for a short time as 666. Because it existed but a short time, it is not the focus of the last one being the 8th. The 8th is the last because after it, Christ sets up his kingdom. Making the 8th the 666. Bondservant: I would be cautious trusting the writings of Walid Shoebat. Nuff said!
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Nov 8, 2018 11:59:14 GMT -6
Post by bondservant on Nov 8, 2018 11:59:14 GMT -6
Bondservant: I would be cautious trusting the writings of Walid Shoebat. Nuff said! Thank you for the word of caution. I do not take godly advice lightly when I can sense it is motivated by love. I just recently learned about him and only put him as a reference since he is the one that make theses connections.
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