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Post by watchmanjim on May 7, 2017 19:05:05 GMT -6
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Post by whatif on May 7, 2017 19:18:04 GMT -6
I've often wondered what Revelation 6:5-6 means when it says "hurt not the oil or the wine." What do you all think this means? I understand it has to do with a time of economic catastrophe when food resources will be scarce and exceedingly costly. But, what is going on with the oil and wine? Does it simply mean don't waste it?
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”
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Post by watchmanjim on May 7, 2017 20:45:33 GMT -6
I've had the same questions, and that's why I bring it up. This is one reason I keep thinking the 4 horsemen of Revelation 6 are yet to be released, or yet to do their worst, because that very statement seems, in my opinion, to indicate a particular event. (Probably not this loss of the French grape crop, since this by itself is not catastrophic enough to merit mentioning in the Scripture, in my opinion. However if this is the first of more, then, we'll see. . . .)
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Post by sawdy on Oct 5, 2017 9:40:10 GMT -6
Instead of using our own own supplies, we are still dependent in Canada on importing oil from Saudi Arabia. There was a plan to reverse the flow of oil through an already existing pipeline. It would create more demand for our own oil industry and provide jobs for many Canadians. Instead we will continue to ship oil east via train, which limits our production as we import via tankers to heavily supplement what we need. They canceled the plan "for numerous reasons" but failed to mention that it was probably the Saudi counties declaring that they wouldn't allow us to not be dependent on their oil. www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/business/transcanada-abandons-energy-east-pipeline-project-1.3620137 |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Oct 5, 2017 10:16:57 GMT -6
With just going by my memory of reading scripture and reading others' findings here are a few thoughts. I finally watched Scottie's latest video of the Dragon. Next to Virgo is Libra which is the Scales constellation. Then too when I hear about "oil" I think about the parable of the 10 virgins and their oil for their lamps. Then I also think is there not a "judgement" with the winepress later in Revelation. I am not drawing a connection, but just recalling where other terms are used. however, this is the english translation. One would have to look into the original writings (greek writings and the hebrew meanings since John is the one telling us about these visions). When I see the barley and wheat I think of the Harvests, and possibly Feasts. I believe it is rt who has some pretty interesting viewpoints that the first 4 seals are opened. I focused on his reasons on the 5th seal, so cant remember what he said about the 1st three seals.. I have heard from general commentary and even my own pastor that the white horse is the antichrist, or simliar. I read it as the Holy Spirit, partly because of being on a white horse. The next three seals can easily be seen having been going on the past 2000 years, even though Jesus conquered death thru his Gospel. 3rd seal kinda reads to me like there will still be prosperity even tho the Red horse rider was released in the 2nd seal, and knowing that the 4th rider on the ashen horse would be released. Scales pertain to some will have more some will have less wealth? greed might run rampant? increase in price of staples, but the rich luxeries are plentiful? No one was worthy until Jesus arrived. That is why to me the first horse is WHITE and represents our Helper the Holy Spirit. I will edit and add rt's link in here.. but in the meantime here is Lamb found worthy..Lamb, meaning it is Jesus Risen, having been crucified...and, HA! Another reason why Jesus would now KNOW the day and hour.. Rev. 5 biblehub.com/niv/revelation/5.htm |
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Post by linda on Oct 5, 2017 16:13:20 GMT -6
I've read that the word translated "scales" can also be translated as "yoke." And that this verse is actually about economic subjugation of people. It takes a whole days wages just to have enough to eat for that day. Nothing left for anything or anyone else. When you think about it, we've been under economic subjugation for a long time to the elites in the form of the Fed and exorbitant taxation, as have most parts of the world. There is a central bank in almost every country in the world with the exception of only a few (I believe Syria and N. Korea are two). And they all bleed their nations dry.
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Post by james on Oct 5, 2017 17:37:03 GMT -6
I've often wondered what Revelation 6:5-6 means when it says "hurt not the oil or the wine." What do you all think this means? I understand it has to do with a time of economic catastrophe when food resources will be scarce and exceedingly costly. But, what is going on with the oil and wine? Does it simply mean don't waste it? When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”From what I've learned talking to my pastor, the best guess we can give related to the line is that oil and wine were the luxury items the wealthy purchased. During the famine,t eh poor will suffer and starve, but the wealthy elites will be untouched. It doesn't bother them because they have insulated themselves from the need to worry about such things. If you look today, generally the most wealthy elites of societies are the most Godless, worshipping only their money at the expense of their fellow man. After the rapture, they will be the only sorts of people left, with no good and Christ-like people to restrain them from their most wicked desires. With Satan ruling during the seven years, the Earth will be as Sodom and Gomorrah again. |
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Post by watchmanjim on Oct 8, 2017 12:10:43 GMT -6
Just a couple of notes. First just to clarify, rt is a lady not a gentleman.  Secondly, an interesting point of reference is how incredibly cheap food is in the United States right now. I think there are some price wars going on locally with the grocery stores, but we can buy a gallon of milk right now for less than $1.50, a loaf of decent bread for $1 or less, and eggs for astounding prices like 28 cents per dozen. These prices are so low that I feel bad for the farmers. Food is basically cheaper right now in the US than at any time in my life, inflation adjusted. Gasoline is $2.15 per gallon locally right now too. Currently, transportation and retail costs are the huge majority of what we are paying for goods. The producers must hardly be getting a dime for the food and other products they manufacture, whether in the US or abroad. Not sure how long this can last before things change. |
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Post by sawdy on Oct 8, 2017 14:25:17 GMT -6
Just a couple of notes. First just to clarify, rt is a lady not a gentleman. Secondly, an interesting point of reference is how incredibly cheap food is in the United States right now. I think there are some price wars going on locally with the grocery stores, but we can buy a gallon of milk right now for less than $1.50, a loaf of decent bread for $1 or less, and eggs for astounding prices like 28 cents per dozen. These prices are so low that I feel bad for the farmers. Food is basically cheaper right now in the US than at any time in my life, inflation adjusted. Gasoline is $2.15 per gallon locally right now too. Currently, transportation and retail costs are the huge majority of what we are paying for goods. The producers must hardly be getting a dime for the food and other products they manufacture, whether in the US or abroad. Not sure how long this can last before things change. It must be nice. Canadian prices my milk is almost $5.00/4L. Eggs are almost $3.00/dozen. Decent bread is $2.50/loaf. I know meat is pricy, but I am still working through my freezer from when we used to have cows and I bought a pig this spring and had it butchered. Produce isn't cheap either. I've been lamenting about high prices for food. High labour and gas prices aren't helping. Minimum wage is now over $13/hr and gas is not cheap even when it is what we consider to be cheap. I have a fuel card and my husband pays the bill at the end of the month, so I don't track gas prices because where I fill up doesn't post prices. Farmers get a pittance unless they are in a regulated industry (Dairy/Eggs). That's why we don't farm anymore. We couldn't afford to actually be beef farmers after 20 years of farming. I think prices are going to go up even more. |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 8, 2017 21:29:52 GMT -6
sawdy Breadmakers (at least in the US) can often be had at thrift stores for $US10-$20. I do not know how prolific thrift stores are in your area. I have a bread recipe for a breadmaker, I'll share if you want it, though there are plenty available for free on the web (recipe.com for instance). Idk if you can get the ingredients though since it is a gluten-free recipe, and I am unfamiliar with the accessibility of the ingredients. Can you afford to keep chickens, or enough cows for your own use (beef, dairy)?
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Post by sawdy on Oct 8, 2017 23:32:53 GMT -6
sawdy Breadmakers (at least in the US) can often be had at thrift stores for $US10-$20. I do not know how prolific thrift stores are in your area. I have a bread recipe for a breadmaker, I'll share if you want it, though there are plenty available for free on the web (recipe.com for instance). Idk if you can get the ingredients though since it is a gluten-free recipe, and I am unfamiliar with the accessibility of the ingredients. Can you afford to keep chickens, or enough cows for your own use (beef, dairy)? I live on an acerage but my hubby is adamant that he is done with farming. He has been there and done that after having chickens and pigs and dairy cows and later 600 beef cows. Fortunately, when God chose to close that door he allowed us to do it debt free. I am 35 and my husband is 44 and we are debt free. So I use that to my advantage and am fairly thrifty when it comes to feeding my family. I don't garden because I am still eating through packaged fruit and vegetables from 2010. I also recently ate some pork ribs from 1999. They were buried in the far depths of my mother in laws freezer and when she moved off the farm, they came to my freezer. I had a bread maker at one time but I eat too much bread if I make it. Lol. I should probably be going the gluten-free way, but although I can access all the gluten free flours, they are really pricey. I try to skip the bread and use it just for sandwiches for my kids school lunches. I like caselot sales for pantry staples. I like a good bargain and stock up when I find one. For example, $1-2.00 a package bacon, $0.50 boxes of crackers, $1.00 2L of kefir. I also have only one kids that actually eats. The other will probably end up anorexic as it is a struggle to get him to eat. I pray for him. I find Costco to be too expensive, as their deals aren't deals unless it is on sale. I don't buy much there. Food is expensive here, but I have learned to eat "in season" and take advantage of when things are in season to process them for my freezer. Milk and eggs is just a normal expense in my budget as they are never on sale. My kids are learning how to shop sale items and stock up so that it carries you through to the next sale and to also learn how to discern what is actually a sale. I also love my Instapot for making dried beans, stews and for cooking roasts. It makes eating quick and healthy. Thank you for the suggestions and I know if I ever find that the prices get higher, I may have to turn to raising my own food again, but for now I am going to enjoy the break and see if I can empty at least one of my three deep freezers. |
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Post by watchmanjim on Oct 9, 2017 20:07:12 GMT -6
We used to raise a lot of our own food but my health has been too bad to keep up with it. Out garden grew up to weeds this year. We had some beans and a few other things out of it, but it's a loss now. A disaster garden year.
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Post by MikeTaft on Oct 13, 2017 13:26:12 GMT -6
Won't be too much wine leaving California this year after these wild fires. That and I remember a few months back that olive oil prices were supposed to go up. Something tells me that these commodities will be only something the wealthy during the tribulation can afford.
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