Those are some good points. And I think we could go round and round about this because it is certainly a bit ambiguous. But I feel like this verse settles it:
The same night he arose and took his two wives, his two female servants, and his eleven children, and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. - Genesis 32:22
It does not say it took 4 wives... it says 2 wives and 2 female servants.
Also notice it says "took his eleven children" -- which has to mean sons cause 1) we know of Dinah (and more than likely there were several daughters) and 2) the "SONS"-- were all called HIS Children -- even though several of them were through substitute "wives".
We also know all "eleven" sons (twelve if you count the two grandsons) became "tribes of Israel" -- even with all the disqualification, sons of non-wives and the like -- they ALL were still counted as Jacob's seed.
Don’t the best ideas always come when you should be asleep? Here’s another:
Which bride, Rachel or Leah, bore the most fruit? Which bride had a womb that was closed until much later? (We see the church has born much fruit but Israel has only recently begun to convert.) Which bride became jealous of the other when she saw her sister was bearing fruit but she wasn’t? Hmmm. Sounds a lot like Romans 11 to me.
When Rachel saw that she bore Jacob no children, she envied her sister. She said to Jacob, "Give me children, or I shall die!" - Genesis 30:1
It’s like all of a sudden Rachel looked around and saw Leah had children and she didn’t. That verse always struck me as funny that she didn’t see it happening over several years but rather one day noticed she didn’t have kids.
Thankfully, this chosen bride did eventually bare fruit, and this fruit was the apple of his father’s eye. This son was loved above the other 11. (That always felt unfair to me too, yet that’s exactly how things went down.)
Let’s go a step further... this son, Joseph, the most loved by his father, the one Israel had in his old age, saved all his brothers and even his father. When you’re reading the story and all you see is the well and slavery, you think this can’t possibly end well. Yet God works miracles and what people intend for evil He uses for good. And this fruit of Rachel born to Israel in his old age saves his brothers and the whole land during the 7 year famine.
If God is going to restore all things... And I say “if” because this is new to me and I don’t feel sure of it yet... wouldn’t it make sense that He has a plan to do so? A plan that has been in the works since the dawn of time? A story that began long ago and whose characters develop through the ages as each plays his role in the grandest story ever told? Could it be that He shows us how this will play out? A bride is chosen but barren. An unloved bride who bears much fruit. The offspring of the chosen bride suffers greatly at the hands of men but meets his Lord in the dungeon of darkness and then shines this light forward into all the land.
We know the Lord meets us in the pit. When you read Joseph’s story, you see that God worked in him in that prison. He came out a different man, having encountered God. The other brothers never rose to greatness because they were never tried as severely as the one who was loved above all others. This is a hard road to be called to for sure. But He who calls is faithful. As for us, let us be like Reuben who tries to come to the defense of Joseph and not like the brothers who are eager to sell him. May we begin praying for these 144,000 witnesses who will travel a narrow and rocky path but who will meet the Lord along the way and, perhaps, in the end save the entire land, or at least his father’s house.
From reading these two posts I think you would enjoy this "The Wedding Pattern" about Rachel and Leah. If I can figure out how to link.....
bernie: “This demonstrates that the virus has a sort of intelligence. ... We can put up all the barriers in the world and imagine that they work, but in the end, it adapts and penetrates them,”
Mar 6, 2021 11:56:37 GMT -6
EnochWalked: "It is up to 50% more transmissible than the virus that surged last spring and again in the fall, making it more adept at thwarting measures that were previously effective, WHO experts warned. Scientists have concluded that it is also more deadly." Wow.
Mar 6, 2021 13:20:22 GMT -6
EnochWalked: Well, it's technically the 7th in Israel now, so I don't know what the significance of 1260 days after September 23rd, 2017 is. Perhaps that will become clearer tomorrow, but in the mean time, I've been enjoying this: youtu.be/Yi7DD6NCGrI?t=418
Mar 6, 2021 16:03:08 GMT -6
EnochWalked: The video is called "End Times - Daniel UNSEALED! (2021 Great Tribulation)" and it was published last November, so maybe it has been discussed already. I found it in a comment on the latest Unsealed article. Doesn't point to a day, but 2021 looks special.
Mar 6, 2021 16:07:42 GMT -6
Boymaker2: EW: I get really confused when they multiply numbers that seem random to me, and it stops me in my tracks. But he is calling for a late Summer/Fall 2021 Tribulation and a return to reign in 2028. I'll spend time in this!
Mar 6, 2021 19:32:28 GMT -6
EnochWalked: Boym: I think the video did focus unnecessarily on the symbolism of some of the numbers, but I did like the mathematical fact that 2520 is the lowest number divisible by the digits 1 to 10. The main point though was using 360 day prophetic years.
Mar 7, 2021 2:42:10 GMT -6
EnochWalked: Considering 1948 x 360 isn't so random, given that both Israel was established as a nation in 1948 AD and Abraham was born 1948 years after Creation. The fact that this multiplication works so well I think is justification for considering 2520 x 360 too.
Mar 7, 2021 2:45:26 GMT -6
EnochWalked: That makes me think of another approach, though. The Revelation 12 sign occurred on the 3rd day of Tishrei, 5778 (on the Hebrew calendar), and if we go forwards 42 calendar months (ignoring leap months), we get 3rd of Nisan, 5781. This is March 16th, 2021.
Mar 7, 2021 3:02:18 GMT -6
bernie: Thanks EW, I think I'm getting some of that now. I have difficulty tracking anything with numbers and consider myself Math Challenged. Thankfully I'm not Rapture Challenged, I'm ready to go anytime.
Mar 7, 2021 10:14:27 GMT -6
EnochWalked: gizmodo.com/someone-is-hacking-the-hackers-1846406428 "Only intelligence services or people who know where the servers are located can pull off things like that... Three forums in one month is just weird." Looks like Biden's NSA has been busy.
Mar 7, 2021 13:33:08 GMT -6