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Post by Natalie on Feb 1, 2020 16:58:37 GMT -6
So, I've been going through a sermon series on Jesus in the OT. I've studied this before and always find such amazing things. It just raises my level of awe for our God.
Most of the stuff so far has been a bit of review for me, but I am loving it anyway. However, I have come across some new little nuggets. I just wanted to share one, and then see if anyone else has anything they have been learning lately.
In John 12:37-40, John quotes two passages from Isaiah, one from Is 53:1 and one from Is 6:10. Then he says something interesting in verse 41 "Isaiah said these things because he saw His glory and spoke of Him." From the greater context of John 12, it is saying that Isaiah saw Jesus. I guess before I just kind of read past that as, oh yeah, God revealed truth to Isaiah as prophecy and it's now fulfilled. The verse never stood out to me really. But, if one goes back and reads the context of the quotes something interesting is there. Most know Isaiah 53 as the Suffering Servant. By reading that chapter it is obvious that Isaiah was writing about Jesus. If you go and read the other quote, start with Isaiah 6:1 "In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up..." and then verse 5 "Woe is me! For I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts." Reading in the OT one will come to see that people understood that to look upon God would surely bring one's death. But clearly Isaiah lived. So, who did Isaiah see on the throne? According to John - Jesus.
"Isaiah said these things because he saw His glory (Isaiah 6) and spoke of Him (Isaiah 53)."
Is there anything you have been blessed by lately?
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Post by Beloved on Feb 2, 2020 18:46:59 GMT -6
The entirety of Isaiah 40-41.
"Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." -Isaiah 45:22
"But Zion said, the LORD hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me. Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? Yea, they may forget, yet I will not forget thee." -Isaish 49:14-15
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Post by Natalie on Feb 2, 2020 22:01:50 GMT -6
Beloved, I absolutely love Isaiah 40:12. I love considering the grandeur of God. There is a lot of good stuff in those chapters.
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Post by inaweofhim on Feb 3, 2020 12:22:28 GMT -6
Hi Natalie, and all, I try to read through the Bible every year, and most years use the One-Year Bible. But this year as I was opening it, I saw the all the books listed alphabetically and it (or maybe the Holy Spirit?) struck me to read through the books this way. So I am currently in 2 Corinthians - and was so blessed by chapter 5 and 6 today! I had written many years ago "come home" at the end of chap 5; but today it really blessed me as we are TRULY about to go to our eternal home so very soon! 2 Cor 5 is all about being motivated to be with Christ. So after He - God - gives us the "Spirit as a pledge (2 Cor 5:5)" Paul states (vv 7,8) "for we walk by faith, not by sight - we are of good courage, I say, and prefer to be absent from the body and to be AT HOME (capitalization mine) with the Lord." Then Paul goes on to talk about our ambition: to be pleasing to Him; and His love that motivates and controls us; and then he talks about reconciliation!! 5 times that word in some verb or noun form is used in 3 verses! Grace! And all I can hear in my spirit is Jesus saying "Come home, child." And how He wants us to share that with the world: "Come home, child. Jesus paid the price for you (2 Cor 5:21)." Sooo much! I'll have to share chap 6 later. Thanks for allowing us to share and encourage one another!
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Post by Natalie on Feb 3, 2020 13:19:17 GMT -6
Beautiful stuff! Thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 17:32:28 GMT -6
Romans 8:18
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.
I got such a sense of excitement from this passage yesterday. This is SUCH A SHORT time here on Earth, and we have been set aside as co-heirs with Christ. I want to see Creation restored. I want to help care for it. I want to be part of this amazing "world" that I cannot see but that I, too, long for. I want to no longer deal with my own sin that soils my worship and seduces my thoughts when I am tired or weak. And as a chronic pain sufferer, I want out of this meat suit now. So that passage is EVERYTHING to me.
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Post by Natalie on Feb 3, 2020 19:21:06 GMT -6
I don't have the same struggles as you, boymaker, but yes, I long to be part of that world. And then to have the spiritual and physical come together into a reality that we cannot fathom. It's going to be so beautiful and wonderful and perfect! The more I read and study about Jesus the more I want to see Him and for His kingdom to physically come. To be able to worship without sin and distraction! To serve Him wholeheartedly! It will be amazing.
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Post by Natalie on Feb 3, 2020 19:37:22 GMT -6
So, here's another one from "Jesus in the OT" that I hadn't picked up on in my own study, and I have not heard a pastor teach on it (But I did some checking and other's have seen this same thing, so it's not something new)
Jesus told the Jews that the only sign they would get is the sign of Jonah and his three days and nights in the belly of the fish (Matthew 12:39-40) But there is something neat when we go read about Jonah's time in the fish. I'm not going to post his whole prayer, but if you have time, check it out.
To summarize, Jonah sees himself as going to Sheol (see Psalm 16:10 about Messiah and Sheol), he is driven away from God's sight (Ps 22:1 on the cross), weeds wrapped around his head (a crown of thorns), but brought up from the pit (brought from death to life), and will bring a sacrifice (Jesus is the sacrifice). It ends "Salvation belongs to the LORD." Jesus in Hebrew means "salvation, or YHWH is salvation". Jesus is how the LORD saves.
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Post by Beloved on Feb 8, 2020 11:07:25 GMT -6
Here's something I ran into I thought was very interesting.
And the word of the LORD came to me: “Take from the exiles Heldai, Tobijah, and Jedaiah, who have arrived from Babylon, and go the same day to the house of Josiah, the son of Zephaniah. Take from them silver and gold, and make a crown, and set it on the head of Joshua, the son of Jehozadak, the high priest. And say to him, 'Thus says the Lord of hosts, “Behold, the man whose name is the Branch: for he shall branch out from his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD. It is he who shall build the temple of the LORD and shall bear royal honor, and shall sit and rule on his throne. And there shall be a priest on his throne, and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.'” -Zechariah 6:9-13 (ESV)
God goes to the high priest, who is named, in the Hebrew, Yehoshua, the LORD (YHWH) is salvation. Sound familiar? This is the long form of Yeshua, Jesus's name. They share the same name. And what does God say? "Behold, the man whose name is the Branch". As we know, the Branch is the Messiah; He is called this title many, many times (Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:5, to name a couple). Joshua (or Yehoshua), high priest, is crowned king, and told that the Branch has his name. The Branch will build the Temple, and rule on the throne. So, we can see that the Branch/the Messiah will be a high priest-king who will be named Yehoshua/Yeshua, which, after being sent through Greek to English, is Jesus. Gee, wonder who that could be! God is many things, but subtle here He is not.
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Post by Natalie on Feb 8, 2020 14:37:37 GMT -6
Beloved , I love it! Thank you for sharing that. I had read that passage before and got the fact that God was uniting priest and king, but I forgot the whole name thing because of how the different languages get translated.
Edit : Here's something else to consider...John 1:1 the Word is God, John 1:14 the Word becomes flesh, Rev 19:13 Jesus is known by the name "Word of God." And the passage you quoted, "And the Word of the LORD came to me." Take a notice when you read this phrase in the OT and you might notice that sometimes it sounds like Someone actually came/appeared to people. For example Genesis 15:4-5 "And behold, the Word of the LORD came to [Abraham]: This man shall not be your heir, your very own son shall be your heir." And He brought him outside..."
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Post by Natalie on Feb 10, 2020 17:55:41 GMT -6
Found another thing in the study of Jesus in the OT...cities of refuge. It's just one of those things that I have read and just never really gave much thought to. Hebrews 6:18 "...we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us." (The next verse explains that hope enters behind the curtain) fled for refuge in Christ. He is our city of refuge. But wait, there's more. Looking at the description of the purpose of cities of refuge in Numbers 35, one who is guilty may flee to the city and is free after the death of the High Priest. We are free from our sins because of the death of the greatest High Priest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 20:11:42 GMT -6
I was recently struck by Hebrews 7
23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. 26 Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
This spoke to me about the love of Christ for us down here. It also speaks to His magnificence because His holy composition derailed the atonement cycle, satisfied the Father's unattainable standards, and broke time.
How Christ loves us is a very difficult concept for me to relate to.
Another passage broke my heart Romans 10
19 Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says, “I will make you envious by those who are not a nation; I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding.” 20 And Isaiah boldly says, “I was found by those who did not seek me; I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me.” 21 But concerning Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.”
We weren't looking for God. He pursued US and offered us the same relationship he had with Israel because He wanted communion with His creation. Sin had taken us away from Him and He missed us. That just breaks my heart so bad.
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Post by venge on Apr 18, 2020 5:34:17 GMT -6
boymaker, Sometimes its difficult to understand God's love. I realize we all know what love is and how to love, but I am speaking about a consistently selfless love for all regardless of how ones day went - and you must not love yourself first in doing so. His love is unimaginable though the Bible teaches it. Has the word blessed me? I am blessed every day I can wake up and look at my children, take time to pray to him and it not be at the dinner table, to know there is a hope in a world that continually grows darker though we all say "can it get worse then this?" and it always does. We all have God, but because of Him..we also have each other (those in Christ) and He dwells within them too. In this time its hard because I want to meet my brothers and sisters from my Church, but because of social distancing guidelines its difficult. I am still blessed to know they are safe, and full of love and joy (except telework while trying to play teacher to your kid because its not fun =P).
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Post by Natalie on Apr 18, 2020 13:09:56 GMT -6
boymaker , I am going to combine your thread with another that's similar. I recently went through a sermon series on Romans. I loved it; such a beautiful break down of the Gospel. Here's one of my favorite verses from the OT that I think goes along with Romans: He says: “It is too light a thing that you should be My servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the preserved of Israel; I will make you as a light for the nations, that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.” (Is 49:6) It makes my heart glad that He is going to save the Jews and He sent salvation to the Gentiles.
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Post by Natalie on Apr 18, 2020 13:56:07 GMT -6
(just making this post to bump the thread up because I combined two threads)
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