Look, I get it. Some people are OBSESSED with working their way into heaven. That's fine, but there is a satanic push that is getting more and more followers right now, and that is the channels and followers on Youtube and other places that put on the mask of "grace is all you need" and "once saved always saved", and then turn around and pepper their videos with veiled suggestions that works are required for salvation, or in order to keep ones salvation. It's deception, it's sickening, and I'm about ready to go full-on-un-Christlike with some of these people.
If you want to teach works, fine, work your way to heaven, but don't you DARE use Grace as a facade to push your anti-Grace conditional salvation beliefs.
mike: Weighing in again, I'm disappointed. In this world there aren't too many righteous stories to be "proud" of. This was but is no more. That's the part that caused my reaction. If I boycott them I have to boycott everything
Dec 5, 2019 21:41:56 GMT -6
Bora: They had it and then they were brow-beat and lost it. To bad they caved as they had my admiration but now no. They are simply the strong that backed down in the heat of battle.
Dec 6, 2019 8:12:51 GMT -6
Joecool: Since God was always all-knowing, that means He not only knew us but He was thinking about us before the foundations of the world
Dec 6, 2019 10:17:13 GMT -6
Joecool: No sense in worrying about the battles since God is Always with us.
Dec 6, 2019 10:17:59 GMT -6
EnochWalked: sesquip: I don't think I was trying to justify "abandoning moral principles" and I'm sorry if it came across that way. I was just trying to show empathy for Christian company owners who choose to avoid controversy in order to keep their business operating.
Dec 6, 2019 16:15:01 GMT -6
EnochWalked: If the owner of Chick-fil-A had been motivated only by personal greed, or avoiding personal embarrassment in the eyes of the secular world (as your first link suggests, without evidence) then I would not justify that, but I don't know his heart (God does).
Dec 6, 2019 16:18:28 GMT -6
EnochWalked: The company is still giving to charities concerned with "education, hunger, and homelessness.", which still seems moral to me, and I wouldn't feel comfortable condemning them for that. ("He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone" Jn 8:7)
Dec 6, 2019 16:23:37 GMT -6
reepicheep: Who cares about the HoR? What matters is the promise of God. Sad anyway, that the US is putting themselves under the curse.
Dec 7, 2019 11:44:34 GMT -6
EnochWalked: bernie: Thanks for the link. This is an interesting time of year. On December 6, 2017, Trump announced US recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital, and December 9, 1949 was when the UN passed resolution 303 stating Jerusalem doesn't belong to Israel.
Dec 7, 2019 18:15:46 GMT -6
sesquipedalian: @enochwalked I heartily agree with showing empathy for people caught in tough situations, and I do think we should be eager to show grace. But I also think that the current leadership of ChickFilA is falling away from the moral integrity of their founder.
Dec 8, 2019 14:36:05 GMT -6
sesquipedalian: And I'm not calling for a boycott of Chick-Fil-A, just for discernment and accountability.
Dec 8, 2019 14:36:58 GMT -6
EnochWalked: sesquip: That makes sense. Thank you for putting it so clearly.
Dec 8, 2019 16:23:02 GMT -6
mike: Nice find on that article Sesquip - i did not know about Paul Anderson save he is considered the strongest of all time by current strongmen. In fact a show on History channel (strongest man in history) was recently on and they compared many of his feats
Dec 9, 2019 6:26:05 GMT -6
Guest: Ottomans started rebuilding Jerusalem’s walls in 1536. 62 weeks later Jerusalem was recaptured.7 weeks later you all saw that sign with the Virgin. You are and have officially have been in the last week. Sorry bout that rapture thing. Only the child.
Dec 9, 2019 9:37:40 GMT -6
EnochWalked: Guest: I saw a YT video about the Ottoman wall-building recently, but your "last week" theory is... unique. Are you advocating the theory of a post-Tribulation Rapture? Are you saying that the Tribulation started 2 years ago? Or does wrath start in 2021?
Dec 9, 2019 15:43:03 GMT -6
EnochWalked: I actually had my own little "epiphany" recently regarding the Ottoman control of Jerusalem. It was in 1517 that they captured it, and then 1947 when the UN decreed the creation of the state of Israel. That's 430 years, as in Exodus 12:40 & Galatians 3:17.
Dec 9, 2019 16:33:15 GMT -6