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Post by Natalie on Oct 16, 2019 7:58:27 GMT -6
Do we go by our bibles on the ancient maps for Magog, Tubal and Meshech? Because mine does not have Russia any part of those names, it is purely Turkey and Iran has no name that I can identify in Ezk 38, but I have not watched all these latest videos, just going by my Bible... Do the names change locations? This would make sense if a peoples migrated and made the same nation in another part, but then one must really keep prophetic statements in order so as to know which peoples its addressing.
Iran's ancient name is Persia. It's listed there in Ezekiel 38. Think back to the story of Esther....that was Persia. It's only in relatively recent history that the name has become Iran. (1935)
Instead of retyping it all, here's what I wrote on another thread about the players in Ezk 38
ETA: for anyone reading along, the original names come from Genesis 10 and the descendants of Noah. 10:2-3 mention Gomer, Magog, Tubal, Meshech, and Togarmah a son of Gomer. They are all from Noah's son Japheth.
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Post by raindrop on Oct 16, 2019 8:26:27 GMT -6
disciple4life, @reepicheep, That is a very real and frightening possibility What an astute observation and analysis. 2) I didn't think about the rapture also occurring simultaneously for the reason of leaving Israel truly alone - with only Almighty God left to save her. Of course this must be so! What a profound realisation. Thank you. Re Turkey and the bomb hostage:- This is why it's so confusing. One has to wade through the quagmire of media lies and exaggerations. I am posting a link re this. There is a twitter storm raging between Erdogan and Pres. Trump, at present. With Erdogan appearing as an intellectual giant *snort* and Pres. Trump looking like an utter buffoon. The contradictions are straight out of a mad house. POTUS knew about the nuclear arsenal held at the Incirlik base way before green lighting Turkey's offensive. He knew what Turkey's actions would probably be. POTUS is not an amateur. Please read the article in the link to get an idea of what I am talking about. The stench of deception is sickening. Whatever the truth is (and we will find out sooner rather than later) there is great danger afoot. I'm off to google maps of Syria!! www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7578463/Erdogan-dismisses-Trumps-threats-vows-NEVER-declare-ceasefire.html
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Post by venge on Oct 16, 2019 10:23:30 GMT -6
One prophecy is seeing the coming together of Russia, Turkey, and Iran just as Ezekiel foretells. Ez 38 We may make guesses on how things will happen but Ezekiel tells us that it will happen. We are seeing it come together. That is an interpretation, but we don’t know if it’s actual prophecy. Who can say Rosh is Russia because it sounds like it? Others have offered well documented ideas that show Rosh means something else thereby leaving Russia out of it. We must be careful what we state is in God’s word.
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Post by venge on Oct 16, 2019 10:27:24 GMT -6
venge, WOW! You fail to see how prophecy is lining up?! I am gobsmacked. Ezekiel 38 is unfolding before our very eyes! I applaud all watchmen for their due diligence. Evil and powerful people have wanted a one world government for ages. The watchmen saw it happening and issued warnings. The Bible tells us that evil people would try this, so we look out for it and take it very seriously. The fact that it hasn't fully unfolded yet, does not make God a liar! It's OBVIOUS to the Christian watchmen that these things are happening. Watchmen aren't "making predictions". We are following our calling to "WATCH" We are also told to sound the alarm if we see and feel that danger is approaching. If we don't - we are failing in our calling. a watchman like Ezekiel was a watchman because he testified God’s truth to the people to have them repent and believe and save their souls. It’s not discussing prophecy that makes a watchman
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Post by Natalie on Oct 16, 2019 10:28:18 GMT -6
I don't say it's Russia just because it sounds like it. I posted to barb where I get my reasoning for who they are.
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Post by Natalie on Oct 16, 2019 10:41:28 GMT -6
A watchman stands at the city walls and sees the signs that danger is coming and warns those within. We are watchmen if we see the signs of Jesus soon return and warn those around us. If they don't listen then it's on them. We are here discussing those signs and the blessed hope of His soon return. You are right that it is not the discission that makes us watchmen. The discussion flows from the fact that we are watchmen. We are simply trying to make sense of the signs and the prophecies.
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Post by venge on Oct 16, 2019 10:41:45 GMT -6
Hello Raindrop, I have really enjoyed your posts in the shoutbox, and am glad you joined the forum. !! Welcome from your Tennessee Brother. ;-) I'm uploading a ginormous load of cheese grits and biscuits and gravy.
I share your thoughts and feelings regarding Israel and not only the fact that End Times all revolves in and around Israel and Jerusalem.
Amir Tsarfati - for those who don't know is a Jewish End times expert, Former mayor of Jericho and Colonel in the IDF. He said that Trump was not abandoning Israel in the least, but rather keeping a campaign promise, and it was a "smart move" politically. He doesn't want dead American soldiers on the cover of newspapers to be used by the left in the upcoming election.
Also, - if you think about it - Trump is the most solidly pro-Israel president in US History. Many don't realize it, but Trumps daughter is Jewish, and his son-in-law is a very highly influential Jew, who is one of the main architects of the Deal of the century, and all his sons married Jewish women, so all his grandchildren are Jewish. ;-) There was a coin minted recently in Israel, with Trump, Cyrus and the temple engraved on it. And Jared's huge role in the Deal, he's not going to betray Israel. ;-)
JD Farag, Lebanese Christian pastor and end-times expert says - and I agree 100% that the reason the US or non of the other allies of Israel comes to their rescue, will be because so many of the leaders, and military officers, are missing from the rapture. Massive hysteria and the subsequent leadership vacuum. It's Not because we abandoned them.
I'll try to find the link and repost it, but both Amir Tsarfati, and pastor Steve Cioccolanti have excellent teachings on Gog of Magog. Eye-opening. I don't buy the notion of US being Gog at all. US has no place in end-times prophecy.
The black marked phrase above is my working theory since 2 yrs. We will see in due time.
It's one of several theories why the US won't or can't help Israel. There are some more possible theories, i.e.
The Gog/Magog war is a very short "war" because it's a massive missile surprise attack taking place within a very short time span.
I heard some experts talking about a time period of only a few minutes or several hours. This could also explain, why no other nation will or can come to Israels rescue.
But the main reason, why no other nation comes to Israels rescue is IMHO found in scripture:
Many Christians unfortunately forget, that the key factor of the endtimes is Israel and Jerusalem. Several friends here pointed to this very important point. I suspect, that many Christians fell to the lies and traps of replacement theology. And I see it even in my church.
Where will Jesus return? On the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem in Israel. This is the focal point. There the music plays....
BTW: here is a link to Amir's Gog/Magog teaching.
I’d disagree. The key to the end times is restoration and fixing the broken Church. Didn’t God say he left the Jews house desolate and he will go to a people that were not his people and they will bring in fruits? And Paul says this people is Israel of the seed of faith. Truly Israel is part of the end but I take it as spiritual Israel. Once spiritual Israel is fixed, the bride will then be ready for her husband. Through the bride, the Jews will seek Christ and convert. Even in Revelation, we are told “these are they that keep the commandments of God and faith in Christ Jesus”. And the 2 witnesses, don’t we go out 2 at a time now to witness? If Satan went to make war with those that have the faith in Christ per Revelation , that is us - not Abrahamic Jews.
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Post by venge on Oct 16, 2019 10:45:51 GMT -6
A watchman stands at the city walls and sees the signs that danger is coming and warns those within. We are watchmen if we see the signs of Jesus soon return and warn those around us. If they don't listen then it's on them. We are here discussing those signs and the blessed hope of His soon return. You are right that it is not the discission that makes us watchmen. The discussion flows from the fact that we are watchmen. We are simply trying to make sense of the signs and the prophecies. You don’t need to see the signs if you know of them already. God has told you, the next part is telling your neighbor
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Post by Natalie on Oct 16, 2019 10:50:15 GMT -6
A watchman stands at the city walls and sees the signs that danger is coming and warns those within. We are watchmen if we see the signs of Jesus soon return and warn those around us. If they don't listen then it's on them. We are here discussing those signs and the blessed hope of His soon return. You are right that it is not the discission that makes us watchmen. The discussion flows from the fact that we are watchmen. We are simply trying to make sense of the signs and the prophecies. You don’t need to see the signs if you know of them already. God has told you, the next part is telling your neighbor Maybe "signs" wasn't the best word... maybe I should have said when we see the evidence that His return is near.
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Post by Natalie on Oct 16, 2019 11:02:13 GMT -6
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Post by raindrop on Oct 16, 2019 11:41:23 GMT -6
venge, There is no reasoning with someone who is firmly into replacement theology. I would suggest reading through Romans properly. Particularly Romans 11:11. I would also suggest that you absorb the fact that prophecy centres around Israel. Jerusalem. AND her people. As for your cynical take on being a watchman and what it means in the full sense of the word....well, there are no words. May Almighty God open your eyes. In Jesus' Name. www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+11&version=NIV
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Post by mike on Oct 16, 2019 12:04:25 GMT -6
raindrop - please gently tap the brakes here with Venge. We all see things somewhat differently at times. Not seeing things exactly the same as someone does not (automatically) make them blind.
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Post by venge on Oct 16, 2019 12:32:26 GMT -6
raindrop - please gently tap the brakes here with Venge. We all see things somewhat differently at times. Not seeing things exactly the same as someone does not (automatically) make them blind. Mike, I was going to reply to his post, but now...I changed my mind. Why post scripture, if we are not here to learn- but to only teach? Some things ingrained are hard to remove. It is good to look on all matters to search out truth, even if that means relooking at what we were taught. To make proof of them and strengthen them, otherwise if they prove false, to lose them. Good luck guys, I'm out.
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Post by raindrop on Oct 16, 2019 13:00:21 GMT -6
mike, Thank you for the good advice. I shall try to tap the breaks gently. I became irked by the dismissive way Natalie was spoken to and addressed. You told me, Mike, that this site has 500 visitors a day. What is discussed here is seen by many "neighbours" - not just Bible believing Christians, Our anxious warnings are read by many. We are also told to congregate together and share our faith and ideas. This site is Christians "congregating" together. If I caused offence, I did it in defence of scripture. I will certainly not tippy toe around an idea (replacement theology) that is extremely dangerous. Brought about by the likes of the RC church and JW's. The re birth of Israel in 1948 was miraculous AND prophesied in scripture. Nothing is by accident. End time prophecy kicked into high gear when that nation was re born. Dismissing Israel as irrelevant in end time prophecy is just plain astonishing.
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Post by kjs on Oct 16, 2019 13:32:53 GMT -6
mike , That is your prerogative, Mike. Have you watched the video? It's pretty uncanny how accurate Natan's testimony is proving to be. A very timely message for Israel. However, as a born again Bible believing Christian, it's not vital that you believe Natan's testimony. It is of vital importance that Israel hears it AND believes it. It does not jar with God's word. A life or death message to Israel. We wait for our LORD and Saviour. I had watched it, maybe a year or two ago. I got giddy from it at the time. Now I have changed my tune on how strongly I am influenced by what others postulate or "hear from God". Maybe I'll try to watch it again if I get a moment. I believe the Lord uses people, weather, stars, anything He chooses to gain the proper attention of the heart. What might open one eye, may close another tighter. It is a matter of the heart. If the young boys dream turns a soul then hallelujah. Hanging Israels hope on this boys dream... I agree with Mike
Saw this about two years ago and was really excited at the time.... But as time went on ... and as items of his vision turned out very wrong -- example that Obama was GOG -- Maybe Obama will somehow return to power -- but until that happens -- Obama cannot be GOG.
The point being ... as time has gone on and more and more things mention are off -- seems to suggest this "vision" was not true.
(just my opinion -- no need yell at me for it)
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