Thank you, bondservant. It seems to me that he has a nice balance. I tend to think that if a person has Jesus as their Savior, then He will start convicting them of things because He is Lord. He'll probably work on them a bit at a time (based on personal experience). Like your pastor said, we can't judge because we don't know where that person is at (my paraphrase). We can have Him as Savior, but I think to really experience life to the full then we must see Him as Lord.
If I understand the Lordship Salvation thing, you aren't truly saved until you make Him your Lord. But, I see it more like this video and the one Mike shared. We can be saved because that's what Jesus does. I think your pastor is more clear though that once we are saved, in order to be in relationship with Him then we must understand that He is Lord. He will convict, and discipline, and train us. We could just go on sinning and live however we want, but that's not what He wants for us.
It fits in with the sermon Mike posted on wandering. You can be saved and not be in relationship, but what kind of abundant life is that?
Is 26:3 You keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on You, because he trusts in You.
I think it was Jack Kelley who made a good distinction between fellowship and relationship. Fellowship is like companionship, but relationship is simply how one relates.
I could have a prodigal son who wanders off and we no longer have a fellowship, but we still have a relationship—he's forever related to me by blood, he's my son. He'll always be my son.
Parents Children Coworkers Friends Masters Slaves Servants Employers Rulers
These are all different types of relations a person might have, and regardless of how close they might be, they remain in that relationship by virtue of the relationship itself.
Same thing with salvation. If someone has genuine faith that Christ died for their sins and rose again, than the very second they believed the Holy Spirit resuscitated their spirit and adopted them into the family of God. They are now sealed forever. But sin can very quickly dissolve the fellowship, hence 1 Cor. 3, among other passages, describing some who will be saved by the bare minimum (faith).
"For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures."
EnochWalked: I don't know what would be a more momentous outcome: the Palestinians agreeing to Trump's plan, and being given a state (assuming that's the enticement being offered), or the Palestinians rejecting it, and facing Trump's wrath (if that's the threat).
Jan 23, 2020 20:44:48 GMT -6
socalexile: No thread on the Wuhan outbreak and quarantine?
Jan 23, 2020 21:26:43 GMT -6
Servant: socalexile: I am betting it is hard to get concrete info as the situation kept evolving. And China covers up, etc.
Jan 24, 2020 0:07:43 GMT -6
visitor: So, I brought up yesterday that Dan 12:12 is about 1290 + 45 = 1335 (i.e. it does not say 1260 + 75 = 1335). Can anyone tell me if there are any discussion threads that talk about this? I would like to read them if there are any.
Jan 24, 2020 6:04:51 GMT -6
visitor: I think it is a "misleading interpretation" because it fits 1260 days to Yom Kippur then 75 days to Hanukkah. In reality, if there are 1290 days to Yom Kippur (as a day count) then there would be 1365 days to Hanukkah. 1260 + 75 = 1335 is a BIG assumption
Jan 24, 2020 6:12:27 GMT -6
visitor: It is very often taken for granted as a truth, but it is more of a "stretch" to interpret Dan 12:12 that way.
Jan 24, 2020 6:15:57 GMT -6
mike: Visitor - there might be but you'd have to search for it, I am uncertain. If you register you can start a thread on the topic. Sounds like something to delve into
Jan 24, 2020 8:04:56 GMT -6
visitor: Thanks, I can look around some more. But fun fact - 9/21/2017 (Yom Teruah) plus 1290 days comes to 4/3/2021 while 10/12/2024 (Yom Kippur) minus 1290 days comes to 4/1/2021. So, midpoint 1290 + 75 would be 1365 days to Hanukkah 2024 in this case. Go fig.
Jan 24, 2020 11:57:07 GMT -6
disciple4life: I wonder if it also breaks prince Charles' heart to see Hobbits and dwarves suffering or other mythical creatures. ?? hmm.
Jan 24, 2020 19:38:24 GMT -6
disciple4life: When people keep repeating lies and propaganda [so-called Palestinians] the masses eventually believe it. Hitler said this same thing in slightly different words. They are Jordanian Arabs who speak Jordanian, and 95% have Jordanian passports.
Jan 24, 2020 19:41:38 GMT -6
disciple4life: No Palestinian race, no Palestinian/Leprechaun currency, art forms, language, passport, historical artifacts, no Leprechaun/Palestinian music, no historical kings and no historical claim to the land. It was propaganda created by Yasar Arafat.
Jan 24, 2020 19:43:40 GMT -6
disciple4life: Jerusalem post, The Hill, and Al Jazeera, other sources all confirm that Trump will reveal the deal of the century by Tuesday, when Netanyahu and Gantz will both be in DC.
Jan 24, 2020 20:05:16 GMT -6
EnochWalked: D4L: You're probably right that the mainstream portrayal of "Palestinians" masks the actual historical reality, but it is somewhat legitimate to talk of "Palestinian Arabs", as for example used by Ze'ev Jabotinsky (whose secretary was Benzion Netanyahu).
Jan 24, 2020 21:01:40 GMT -6
EnochWalked: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-iron-wall-quot "We cannot offer any adequate compensation to the Palestinian Arabs in return for Palestine. And therefore, there is no likelihood of any voluntary agreement being reached." written in 1923.
Jan 24, 2020 21:02:10 GMT -6