|
Post by stormyknight on Apr 18, 2019 11:54:53 GMT -6
We are looking for a city and kingdom that controls all the other kingdoms through great trade. Enough to hold sway politically in the UN, enough to have people help them in their wars, enough to do real damage to other nations. The religion is lust to prosperity and idleness with no care for what is happening to the others that are suffering. Just my take. Would not this be the beast that the woman rides, venge? The seven mountains, the seven kings, the ten kings/kingdoms(for an hour)? The ten only happen at the end, but the seven mountains/kings are perhaps through history, so a woman/religious figure/church having sway over those mountains/kings makes more sense to me.
|
|
|
Post by venge on Apr 18, 2019 17:37:27 GMT -6
We are looking for a city and kingdom that controls all the other kingdoms through great trade. Enough to hold sway politically in the UN, enough to have people help them in their wars, enough to do real damage to other nations. The religion is lust to prosperity and idleness with no care for what is happening to the others that are suffering. Just my take. Would not this be the beast that the woman rides, venge ? The seven mountains, the seven kings, the ten kings/kingdoms(for an hour)? The ten only happen at the end, but the seven mountains/kings are perhaps through history, so a woman/religious figure/church having sway over those mountains/kings makes more sense to me. No, it is the women that rides the beast. Not the beast that rides the women. Ill paste it below and offer my interpretation: The beast of the sea that John saw did not exists in his time but it existed BEFORE his time. If the ruling empire was Rome, it was not Rome that he was watching as it exists before John. Which makes sense if you think about the 3 previous kingdoms before Rome all makeup the beast. This is what I find people have a problem with, they try to add a 4rth kingdom into the last part of the statue but the text doesn't say that. When it references the beats that was and is not, its not talking about a specific kingdom. That is why when we look back at the physical makeup of the beast, it has parts of Babylon, Greece and Persia all in it. All 3 parts makeup the last beast. But the clincher is how does the world recognize it then if its all 3. Because there are fundamental standards from all 3 kingdoms that will appear in this last 1. Not to mention when you read Daniel, remember the part that says that once Greece splits to the 4 corners of the earth that in the latter days we have the same north and south army fighting each other before chapter 12. Everything goes back to that area. Mountains are kingdoms all throughout scripture. I wont post 20 verses here =P So we have a future beast kingdom whose makeup spans 7 previous kingdoms. Within each previous kingdom, we have many current nations. Each previous kingdom (mountain) had a king. 5 kings are fallen and in that 5 kingdoms also have fell. One king "is", that was the Roman Emperor alive during John's time with Rome being the Kingdom. The 7th king and kingdom hadn't come yet. And the 8th king is the AC with his kingdom being the 3 previous kingdoms before John and the Roman empire. The beast of the sea whose makeup is of Babylon, Persia and Greece is also of the 7 because the kingdoms not mentioned such as Egypt, Assyria, Rome, the 7th..have the nations currently alive today that were previous kingdoms but their land resides ehrn either Persia ruled, Babylon ruled or Greece ruled. We have 7 previous kingdoms which make up the landmass of many nations. The 10 horns that come; one possibility is that they receive land allocated to them by the AC when he gives them spoil per Daniel. Therefore then becoming as a King 1 hr with the beast. Though I am flexible on this part and still studying it.
|
|
|
Post by cwood85 on Apr 19, 2019 7:57:46 GMT -6
I agree with what mike says here and jamie you have raised many valid points ... but I think we need to be a bit careful any time we " create an us vs them" idea.
Yes, without a doubt the religion of Islam is "way off base" (in the mind of this Christian) and so we should be concerned with it's spread with society. Yet, these people are part of humanity and deserve our LOVE as well; in fact we are commanded to Love Our Enemies. Remember it is the "poisonous thoughts and ideas" of the religion Islam that deserve our rejection -- NOT THE PEOPLE who practice it.
NONE of US are perfect; we all have our Flaws -- whether that be Protestant Christians, Catholic Christians, Mormons; even Atheist people....
So jamie I urge caution -- please continue giving knowledge about all the "issues" with Islam ... but be careful when referring to the people practicing that religion -- Our response to them is to pray for them and if given a chance to witness to them about Jesus Christ and His Free gift. I know what you're saying, but that doesn't change anything. Some people have labelled Rome and Catholicism as the beasts which means that all the evils mentioned about the end-time beast is attributed to a CHURCH of God. I think the two witnesses attempt to get Muslim's to repent in the Dome area of the Mosque, and the plagues in the Revelation are specifically intended for Islam's JIHADIST and those who support them who commit the abominations of the earth. That's why they are urged to get out of Islam.
Islam doesn't just have "flaws." It's literally the devil's religion bent on world domination through terrorism and demographics. The opening paragraph to my website...
One man asked...
"What is wrong with people? We are talking about a religion in which one of the highest aspirations of its adherents is to be killed fighting in a war. What other religion advocates chopping off hands and heads, and stoning people in the streets? What other religion advocates global war, in order to convert people? In what other religion, during religious festivals, can you see droves of the "faithful" marching the streets with AK-47's, and declaring their desire to kill and die for "God". Excuse me people....what are we missing here? How do religion and AK-47's go together?"
Islam's Connection To Bible Prophecy and the origin of violence in the end. Habakkuk 1:5 Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you. For, lo, I raise up the Chaldean's, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwelling places that are not theirs. They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves. Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat. They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.
When a person becomes a Muslim, they are enslaved into the most oppressive religion on earth.
"Sup up" means to do so as an assembly or a horde. Islam is the only religion where it's followers "sup their face up to the east" even 5 times a day.
"The east wind is always associated with evil destructive wind." E. Swedenborg (1688-1772) said, "That wind, and especially the east wind, signifies nothing else than the dispersion of falsities and evils." Can I ask a question? Well several so bare with me please. First, if Revelation was written solely for Islam, then why in the world are the first two chapters of the book referencing and speaking to the 7 churches of GOD?!? Second, just because a church says it is a church of God, doesn't mean squat. The Pharisees were the "Priest" of the temple of God in that time and they were some of the most vile and evil of people. Jesus did not walk around ripping up the false or pagan religions while he was here. He was most angered and vocal with the CHURCH of that time. It is no different now. Those who are supposed to be shepards but scatter the sheep are far more damaging than any pagan religion. Jesus did not go to the Greek or Roman pagans and call them vipers and sons of the devil. He called those who claimed to be Gods those names and constantly called them out on their falseness. I think sometimes we really forget and put this statement to the sidelines, Judgement first comes to the church. The Habakkuk 1:5 is referring to the Babylonians, not Islam as Judgement to the Jews for worshipping Molech/Baal and sacrificing their children to this false god of fire and death. Islam was't around then and wouldn't be for well over a thousand years. The crusades were done in the name of God and Jesus and ordered by the very people who sat in cathedrals with the kings of that time. People used to be hunted down like animals simply for having possession of a bible. Men who translated even before the KJV fled from country to country in Europe to gather information for bible translations and run from being doused with oil, wrapped in oil soaked cloth and set on fire, usually all while being impaled. Sounds pretty wicked and Satanic to me, but was done by the church in the name of God. Does that make it ok? Your logic is very one sided and biased.
|
|
|
Post by kjs on Apr 19, 2019 9:03:11 GMT -6
I agree with what mike says here and jamie you have raised many valid points ... but I think we need to be a bit careful any time we " create an us vs them" idea.
Yes, without a doubt the religion of Islam is "way off base" (in the mind of this Christian) and so we should be concerned with it's spread with society. Yet, these people are part of humanity and deserve our LOVE as well; in fact we are commanded to Love Our Enemies. Remember it is the "poisonous thoughts and ideas" of the religion Islam that deserve our rejection -- NOT THE PEOPLE who practice it.
NONE of US are perfect; we all have our Flaws -- whether that be Protestant Christians, Catholic Christians, Mormons; even Atheist people....
So jamie I urge caution -- please continue giving knowledge about all the "issues" with Islam ... but be careful when referring to the people practicing that religion -- Our response to them is to pray for them and if given a chance to witness to them about Jesus Christ and His Free gift. I know what you're saying, but that doesn't change anything. Some people have labelled Rome and Catholicism as the beasts which means that all the evils mentioned about the end-time beast is attributed to a CHURCH of God. I think the two witnesses attempt to get Muslim's to repent in the Dome area of the Mosque, and the plagues in the Revelation are specifically intended for Islam's JIHADIST and those who support them who commit the abominations of the earth. That's why they are urged to get out of Islam.
Islam doesn't just have "flaws." It's literally the devil's religion bent on world domination through terrorism and demographics. The opening paragraph to my website...
One man asked...
"What is wrong with people? We are talking about a religion in which one of the highest aspirations of its adherents is to be killed fighting in a war. What other religion advocates chopping off hands and heads, and stoning people in the streets? What other religion advocates global war, in order to convert people? In what other religion, during religious festivals, can you see droves of the "faithful" marching the streets with AK-47's, and declaring their desire to kill and die for "God". Excuse me people....what are we missing here? How do religion and AK-47's go together?"
Islam's Connection To Bible Prophecy and the origin of violence in the end. Habakkuk 1:5 Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you. For, lo, I raise up the Chaldean's, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwelling places that are not theirs. They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves. Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat. They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.
When a person becomes a Muslim, they are enslaved into the most oppressive religion on earth.
"Sup up" means to do so as an assembly or a horde. Islam is the only religion where it's followers "sup their face up to the east" even 5 times a day.
"The east wind is always associated with evil destructive wind." E. Swedenborg (1688-1772) said, "That wind, and especially the east wind, signifies nothing else than the dispersion of falsities and evils."
jamie -- you claim that you hear what I am saying.... then you go back to "scream and shout" about how bad Islam is and How Bad those that follow that religion.
You are placing me in a very tough role ... that I do not like to be in... I am not defending Islam ... BUT I AM DEFENDING the people trapped by the teachings of Islam.....
These are people -- misguided people to be sure ... but we must "love them" and try to draw them out their religion.....
BUT, trying to build up hatred for both the religion and those that follow it is NOT they way to go.
Your whole point about waving AK-47's is not even a truthful statement .... Yes, there are indeed Young Men who are angry and this religion feeds their base desires.....
BUT there are also many who were simply born into it and they are simply following a tradition of praying multiple times a day and fasting and never once proclaim violence.
|
|
|
Post by mike on Apr 19, 2019 10:08:20 GMT -6
No question that Islam is false. The things they believe and do are horrific. No debate there - everyone agree on that? jamie - would you agree that people who say they believe, yet will transgender their children are false? Likewise (this has me bothered for several days) the Buttigeig guy telling the media that he's gay and he was made this way and if (Mike Pence) has a problem with it, take it up with God. Isnt that a false "religion" as well? The false religions are all those that lead people away from the One true living God. All of them, not just Islam. In fact I would argue it is more deceitful to say you are a believer or Christian and continually practice heathen abominations, than to observe Muslims and think they are "worse". 2 Kings 17:7 For [so] it was, that the children of Israel had sinned against the LORD their God, which had brought them up out of the land of Egypt, from under the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and had feared other gods, 8 And walked in the statutes of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel, and of the kings of Israel, which they had made. 9 And the children of Israel did secretly [those] things that [were] not right against the LORD their God, and they built them high places in all their cities, from the tower of the watchmen to the fenced city. 10 And they set them up images and groves in every high hill, and under every green tree: 11 And there they burnt incense in all the high places, as [did] the heathen whom the LORD carried away before them; and wrought wicked things to provoke the LORD to anger: 12 For they served idols, whereof the LORD had said unto them, Ye shall not do this thing. 13 Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, [and by] all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments [and] my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets. 14 Notwithstanding they would not hear, but hardened their necks, like to the neck of their fathers, that did not believe in the LORD their God. 15 And they rejected his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and his testimonies which he testified against them; and they followed vanity, and became vain, and went after the heathen that [were] round about them, [concerning] whom the LORD had charged them, that they should not do like them. 16 And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, [even] two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal. 17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger. 18 Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight: there was none left but the tribe of Judah only. 19 Also Judah kept not the commandments of the LORD their God, but walked in the statutes of Israel which they made. 20 And the LORD rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand of spoilers, until he had cast them out of his sight.
|
|
|
Post by davewatchman on Apr 19, 2019 14:41:59 GMT -6
jamie said I agree with this and have considered a lot of what you claim about Islam. This entire religion is a religion of Satan, period. I'm sorry Mike, or even a bit surprised to say, that i'm not sure that i agree 100% with this. I hang out with the Muzzies. The Saudi types. The Lebanese. And the African Somali versions. I share laughs with them. The company that i work for makes deliveries to their Halal grocery stores and restaurants. They are funny when you get to know them. I've had some great laughs with them. The first time that you have a laugh with them, you feel like you've known them for years. Islam is just one of three Abrahamic religions. It grew out of Ishmael, one of Abraham's sons. The Allah that they pray to is the God of their father Abraham. I wish i could find a youtube clip from that old Bible movie with Richard Harris where Hagar ran with young Ishmael into the desert and God opened up a fountain of water for them to drink. That was an epic film produced by Dino De Laurentiis, but i can't find too many youtube clips of it. No need to worry. All of this was baked in the cake. "And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
"And God heard the voice of the boy, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What troubles you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the boy where he is. Up! Lift up the boy, and hold him fast with your hand, for I will make him into a great nation.”
"Then God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water. And she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. And God was with the boy, and he grew up. He lived in the wilderness and became an expert with the bow. "He shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen - Genesis 16:12
I did want to make one other observation about the quote Islam is anti-Christ, but anti-Christ is not solely Islam. It is anyone who denies the Son. before Islam was, Christ was denied - sadly unto this day He is still denied. When i speak to the Muzzies, they refer to and acknowledge Jesus as a great prophet. They have a flat screen TV in their back butcher shop playing a continuous re-run of the Haj in Mecca. All the Muslims are circling around that black square box, it looks like a Borg Cube. I make remarks like: "you guys always have the same show on, or: "isn't that the place where the locusts recently swarmed? I get laughs. They think i'm Don Rickles. They have a sense on humor. But the Orthodox Jews on the other hand are completely different. I wouldn't even post the language that they use when they referred to Jesus. It was rude. And it was coming from a Rabbi. Ask the Rabbi. Rabbi Dan. So if anyone thinks that the Muzzies are antichrist, the Orthodox Jews must be Antichrist. I started to search for the particular post at ask the rabbi, but changed my mind. It's not important. Islam is just a small part of the end times composite beast. They are just one of the five who have fallen, been proved false, by Jesus' birth, death and resurrection. I did find something else a bit interesting on the ask the rabbi site. A post there by old Dent. Remember him? He was using the same "I am" rhetoric back in 2016. Small world. " I am, I honestly believe, one of the prophesied "ten gentiles" approaching "one Jew". www.tapatalk.com/groups/messiahtruth/satan-in-eden-t5768.html#p79333Spooky
|
|
|
Post by mike on Apr 19, 2019 16:20:11 GMT -6
davewatchman - being a "muzzies" doesnt mean you are a "bad person" just deceived. The religion acknowledges Jesus as a prophet and He will return but be killed, right? They deny the deity of Christ, which is anti-christ, as is Judaism. There are no two ways about it. I have read the Genesis account about Ishmael and wondered why "a great nation" for him. My main thought on the subject is that I imagine what the boy felt like when his father, disowned him after 10 years. My heart aches for kids who have their father reject them, imagine how this one felt when Abraham kicked him out. God shows mercy towards him and his mother. None of that was their fault. Hagar did what she was told, she was the servant in the house of her master, doing as she was supposed to. EDIT - are muzzies any different than good natured catholics, who are kind, gentle, caring, giving maybe generous yet pray to Mary, St. Anthony (when they lose keys), and so on?
|
|
|
Post by mike on Apr 19, 2019 17:09:28 GMT -6
Oh Dave yes I remember Dent. He is another, though in much different way than a "muzzie" deceived soul. He's been under the influence of lies since we'll before 2016. Who speaks lies? He's not listening to the Father but the father of lies
|
|
|
Post by davewatchman on Apr 19, 2019 17:15:19 GMT -6
EDIT - are muzzies any different than good natured catholics, who are kind, gentle, caring, giving maybe generous yet pray to Mary, St. Anthony (when they lose keys), and so on? I didn't know that i could pray to Mary or St. Antony to get my keys back. I wonder if it works for cats? But no, they're no different. As far as i can tell. I just don't see them as the big bogey man that others do. I'd be more worried about the Bro Branigans and the Dad Hagins of the world. They're all just a part of the seven heads on the composite beast. They all have blasphemous names written on them. I spot three out of the seven heads on the composite beast in this article. The one that would be here for only a short season is running out of gas. I don't think we have long to wait. www.dailywire.com/news/45655/god-help-us-atheism-becomes-largest-religion-us-michael-j-knowles??utm_source=twitterJust about time for God's People to come out from them, Lest they take part in her plagues.
|
|
|
Post by canada on Apr 19, 2019 20:07:36 GMT -6
Mystery Babylon ... Jihadists? Definitely not.
They are out there and in your face ... nothing mysterious about this group.
When God destroys Vatican City then some students of prophecy may realize that the reformers were correct about the papacy being the beast and the religion of Rome being the great harlot church described in Revelation.
Others (partial preterists and futurists) will be saying, how can this be ... where is the image of the beast, the mark of the beast and the numbered beast?
They then may realize that they were asleep on their watch and these events did come to pass even though they did not recognize them.
Rome Universal ... that is the meaning of "catholic".
|
|
|
Post by davewatchman on Apr 20, 2019 7:28:07 GMT -6
Why do you say I scream and shout? I use larger font because my eyesight is bad, and sometimes cap things for emphasis. I defend the people enslaved in Islam too, especially women and children. The people that follow Islam are often forced to follow it under the threat of apostasy. I don't hate Muslim's. I hate Islam. Fanatical followers of Islam murdered my friends maid of honor and James Foley a NH native. I'm not doing any different attributing all the evils of the last days to Islam than someone who attributes them to Rome and Catholicism. Some people even attribute ALL the evils of the last days to, "the apostate Church." I am sorry for your loss Jamie. And i'm not defending Islam. They ARE fallen,they ARE a false belief system. But what i'm saying is that they are not AS bad as some of the other six religious belief systems that have now been proven false. AND they're not AS bad as some of the apostasy that we have legislated to be legal in our own nation. I believe, based on my read, that at some point soon, fire is going to fall from the sky on the sons of disobedience. Just like on the day that Lot left out from Sodom in Luke 17 when Jesus said that the Son of Man would be revealed. I doubt that this fire will fall AS hard on the sons of Ishmael as it will on the sons of disobedience, the jurisdictions that have legislated the transgressive laws which enable the legalized pornography, and legalized abortions, and the same sex marriage. And at a time when even Christianity, even Protestantism, is in decline in the USA. Where the name of this same Jesus, and His Ten Commandments are being legislated away from public places. Consider this video from Ahmadinejad. Isn't that the guy who wanted to wipe Israel off the map? I count him as mentioning Jesus 11 times, two of them as the "Son of Mary". The Pope did an hour speech to Congress where he did NOT mention Jesus' name one single time. Not once! Snip of Ahmadinejad at 5:40: Apostasy in Islam
The following are some nations that treat apostasy under their criminal laws. Iran – illegal (death penalty)[13][14][15] Egypt – illegal (3 years' imprisonment)[15] Pakistan – illegal (death penalty[15] since 2007) United Arab Emirates – illegal (3 years' imprisonment, flogging)[16] Somalia – illegal (death penalty)[17] Afghanistan – illegal (death penalty, although the U.S. and other coalition members have put pressure that has prevented recent executions)[18][19] Saudi Arabia – illegal (death penalty, although there have been no recently reported executions)[15][20] And i'm also fairly sure that they don't have live streaming pornography, last trimester abortions and gay pride parades in the middle east. With the exception of Tel Aviv Israel. They've held the prize for the number one "pride" event for numerous years. I'll stop short of posting the video clip of that today. I'd be more worried about the apostasy, the falling away, that's happening in our own backyard. Take a look at yourself and you can look at others differently. By putting your hand in the hand of the Man from Galilee When i was a little kid in the early 70's i can still remember this song playing on the AM radio in my parents car. It was a top ten hit on the charts. It made it up to #2. Probably not too much chance of something like that happening now while we're in the falling away. Put Your Hand in the HandPut your hand in the hand of the man who stilled the water Put your hand in the hand of the man who calmed the sea Take a look at yourself and you can look at others differently By puttin' your hand in the hand of the man from Galilee Every time I look into the Holy Book I want to tremble (tremble) Or when I read about the part where the carpenter cleared the temple (temple) For the buyers and the sellers were no different fellas than what I profess to be And it causes me shame to know we're not the people we should be So, put your hand in the hand of the man who stilled the water Put your hand in the hand of the man who calmed the sea Take a look at yourself and you can look at others differently By puttin' your hand in the hand of the man from Galilee My mama taught me how to pray before I reached the age of seven She said, "there'll come a time when there'll probably be room in heaven" But I'm feeling kinda guilty 'bout the number of times to do what we must do But we forget what he said, then we figure that he'll still make room So, you gotta put your hand in the hand of the man who stilled the water Put your hand in the hand of the man who calmed the sea Take a look at yourself and you can look at others differently By puttin' your hand in the hand of the man from Galilee Everybody come along Put your hand in the hand of the man who stilled the water (Who stilled the water) Put your hand in the hand of the man who calmed the sea (Who calmed the sea) Take a look at yourself and you can look at Songwriters: GENE MACLELLAN Thanks to the Man from Galilee, For a Peaceful Sabbath.
|
|
|
Post by venge on Apr 20, 2019 8:10:58 GMT -6
Can I ask a question? Well several so bare with me please. First, if Revelation was written solely for Islam, then why in the world are the first two chapters of the book referencing and speaking to the 7 churches of GOD?!? Second, just because a church says it is a church of God, doesn't mean squat. The Pharisees were the "Priest" of the temple of God in that time and they were some of the most vile and evil of people. Jesus did not walk around ripping up the false or pagan religions while he was here. He was most angered and vocal with the CHURCH of that time. It is no different now. Those who are supposed to be shepards but scatter the sheep are far more damaging than any pagan religion. Jesus did not go to the Greek or Roman pagans and call them vipers and sons of the devil. He called those who claimed to be Gods those names and constantly called them out on their falseness. I think sometimes we really forget and put this statement to the sidelines, Judgement first comes to the church. The Habakkuk 1:5 is referring to the Babylonians, not Islam as Judgement to the Jews for worshipping Molech/Baal and sacrificing their children to this false god of fire and death. Islam was't around then and wouldn't be for well over a thousand years. The crusades were done in the name of God and Jesus and ordered by the very people who sat in cathedrals with the kings of that time. People used to be hunted down like animals simply for having possession of a bible. Men who translated even before the KJV fled from country to country in Europe to gather information for bible translations and run from being doused with oil, wrapped in oil soaked cloth and set on fire, usually all while being impaled. Sounds pretty wicked and Satanic to me, but was done by the church in the name of God. Does that make it ok? Your logic is very one sided and biased. Two horns like a lamb? That means two sects similar to Christianity. The two horns represent the Sunni and Shia sects of Islam. The Sunni and Shia sects of Islam account for about 97% of Muslims in the world today. The other sects came from those two anyway. Jamie, If you are referring to the Beast of the Earth, as I suspect, then let me put forth this verse. From verses 11 through 15, the "he" identified as the beast of the earth is always a literal man. I am not sure where you got a representation of 2 sects of Islam from. The Beast of the Earth is to model Christ as the lamb but he is a false Christ. I believe you are taking Daniel 8:3 and applying it to this verse which is not what it says. If False prophets comes in sheeps clothing but inside they are ravenous wolves, then surely, False Shepherds appear as Christ, but inside they speak as a dragon. Daniel 7:17 specifies that the rulers of the 4 kingdoms of the sea are ruled by 4 kings that comes out of the earth. Hence the beast of the earth is a man that rules the kingdom of the sea. Versus Daniel 7:23 which is explaining the beast of the sea in Daniel 7:7 Notice how this shepherd carries a sword. He is not for peace but for war. Look at his right eye, its darkened and why? His entire body is full of evil. Or Luke 11:34
|
|
|
Post by mike on Apr 20, 2019 10:16:56 GMT -6
slight tangent (again) davewatchman (but since KJ doesnt mind us diverting off the OP ) Are you of the opinion/thought that when the anti-Christ rises on the scene, he will "fool" the Muslims as they are expecting Jesus? EDIT - jamie if you have thoughts on this, I'd like to hear them too (not exclusively a question for Dave)
|
|
|
Post by mike on Apr 20, 2019 10:31:00 GMT -6
jamie said: I read this chapter this morning and your post about sheeps clothing brings this chapter to mind. Jer 28:1 In that same year, at the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, in the fifth month of the fourth year, Hananiah the son of Azzur, the prophet from Gibeon, spoke to me in the house of the LORD, in the presence of the priests and all the people, saying, 2 “Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: I have broken the yoke of the king of Babylon. 3 Within two years I will bring back to this place all the vessels of the LORD’s house, which Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon took away from this place and carried to Babylon. 4 I will also bring back to this place Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim, king of Judah, and all the exiles from Judah who went to Babylon, declares the LORD, for I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.”5 Then the prophet Jeremiah spoke to Hananiah the prophet in the presence of the priests and all the people who were standing in the house of the LORD, 6 and the prophet Jeremiah said, “Amen! May the LORD do so; may the LORD make the words that you have prophesied come true, and bring back to this place from Babylon the vessels of the house of the LORD, and all the exiles. 7 Yet hear now this word that I speak in your hearing and in the hearing of all the people. 8 The prophets who preceded you and me from ancient times prophesied war, famine, and pestilence against many countries and great kingdoms. 9 As for the prophet who prophesies peace, when the word of that prophet comes to pass, then it will be known that the LORD has truly sent the prophet.” 10 Then the prophet Hananiah took the yoke-bars from the neck of Jeremiah the prophet and broke them. 11 And Hananiah spoke in the presence of all the people, saying, “Thus says the LORD: Even so will I break the yoke of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon from the neck of all the nations within two years.” But Jeremiah the prophet went his way. 12 Sometime after the prophet Hananiah had broken the yoke-bars from off the neck of Jeremiah the prophet, the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: 13 “Go, tell Hananiah, ‘Thus says the LORD: You have broken wooden bars, but you have made in their place bars of iron. 14 For thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: I have put upon the neck of all these nations an iron yoke to serve Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and they shall serve him, for I have given to him even the beasts of the field.’” 15 And Jeremiah the prophet said to the prophet Hananiah, “Listen, Hananiah, the LORD has not sent you, and you have made this people trust in a lie. 16 Therefore thus says the LORD: ‘Behold, I will remove you from the face of the earth. This year you shall die, because you have uttered rebellion against the LORD.’” 17 In that same year, in the seventh month, the prophet Hananiah died.EDIT - maybe this isnt the right thread for this. This topic of people claiming "Thus says the Lord" has been on my mind lately and in other threads. maybe I'll move it, but your post about "sheeps clothing" reminded me of this today
|
|
|
Post by venge on Apr 20, 2019 11:24:33 GMT -6
You're looking at this solely in the KJV. The Textus Receptus uses the words "it had two horns" in verse 11 and TR doesn't use the word "it or he" in verse 12 and 13. It was added by the KJV translators. The Islamic false prophet may attempt to unite the two major sects of Islam. I am not only looking at the KJV. I posted it from the KJV because the KJV is what I adhere to normally although I recognize the KJV does have transcriptional errors IMO on some minor things in the Bible. It is still a very good work as well as the language feels beautiful reading it rather then American English. Horns were always a symbol of power. The fact that the lamb like Christ had 2 horns only symbolizes its strength and power. Reading into it anymore then that without other scripture to support that opinion I would say is futile. If you are going to suggest that the fact of him having 2 horns means something figuratively, that is fine but prove it with scripture because I am many, don't see it that way. And I see many things figuratively lol, ask half the board readers here! Let me ask this, why would the AC be modeled after Christ and not Muhammed? The AC is made to look like a lamb, not a warlord. If the AC is made to look like a lamb, wouldn't the AC be getting support from ….Christians? I would think that if the AC was Muslim, which I acknowledge he could be, why would he be made to look like Christ that is not Muslim? In doing so, it would lead Christians to him because of HOW he appears, not Muslims. Think about that for a moment. Rev 12:17 said, Not Muslims. If Satan wants to trick us, he does so with a Christ like figure that we are familiar with. We are not familiar with Isalm or Muslims. But we are with Christians. Are there not today many Churches that differ from one another? Is it far fetched to believe that the AC could be a false Christian? I'm just sayin! Don't put ALL your eggs into one basket. I am more skeptical because until he speaks against God, the world see's him as a Savior. EDIT: I should also add, don't read soo much into Walid Shoebat and Joel Richardson. Its like people with itching ears. I recognize there are some things they say that are possible...but all our answers are from the Bible...not from the Koran...not from random people on the net.
|
|