|
Post by davewatchman on Feb 9, 2019 19:26:12 GMT -6
"If anyone is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes; "If anyone is to be slain with the sword, with the sword must he be slain. "Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.I was looking for news stories to find evidence of the work of the composite beast, like the recent changes in the abortion laws, or in Christian persecution around the world and found this story: Russia jails 'extremist' Jehovah's Witness for six yearsA Danish citizen living in Russia has been sentenced to six years in prison for practising as a Jehovah's Witness. The religious organisation was declared an "extremist" group by Russia's courts in 2017 and outlawed. Dennis Christensen was arrested in the city of Oryol nearly two years ago after police stormed a prayer service. Denmark's Foreign Minister Anders Samuelsen said he was "deeply concerned" and called on Russia "to respect freedom of religion". He said Denmark stood ready to help with Christensen's appeal. It is the first prosecution of its kind since the religious group was banned. A judge at the district court said the six years in a penal colony was a "minimal sentence", local news site Oryol Novosti reported. www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47142856This doesn't seem for real. The guy didn't do anything wrong. There's a video of the arrest where the swat team came to his church with black masks. What do you guys think about this? He's sentenced to hard labor in a Russian prison. I don't think that's going to be nice. I don't think it would be good to travel to Russia. I can't even see this guy causing as much trouble as the Jehovah's Witnesses do on my street. But it could be worse. I had thought that the 42 months of Revelation 13 started in the summer of 2015. A report titled “Persecuted and Forgotten?” — covers the years 2015-2017, and claims Christian persecution is “worse than at any time in history,” and in many cases, genocide and other crimes against humanity “now mean that the Church in core countries and regions faces the possibility of imminent wipe-out,” says a new report from Aid to the Church in Need.. "In China, church communities face increased hostility. Authorities in some provinces have removed crosses from some churches and destroyed church buildings. In some regions, Christmas trees and greeting cards have been banned.
"There are reports from North Korea of forced starvation of Christians and forced abortion. Some Christians have been hung on crosses over fire, and others have been crushed by steamrollers.
“In 12 of the 13 countries reviewed, the situation for Christians was worse in overall terms in the period 2015-17 than within the preceding two years,” said the report’s executive summary, released Oct. 12.
m.ncregister.com/54836/d#.WetmaUb3bCQStories of forced abortion and Christians run over by steamrollers. Christians from around the world must envy us over here. Living on the "earth" that swallowed the flood that spewed forth from the dragon's mouth. That triple tyrant from these may grow, Early may fly the Babylonian woe. Even so, come Lord Jesus.
|
|
|
Post by boraddict on Feb 9, 2019 20:12:10 GMT -6
Russia confining the missionaries is Isaiah Chapter 18.
So we have the fall of Damascus in Chapter 17 and the confining of the missionaries in Chapter 18. As this matures we will have the civil war in Chapter 19. The rapture should take place right in there somewhere between Chapters 18 and 19.
|
|
|
Post by davewatchman on Feb 10, 2019 18:49:25 GMT -6
Russia confining the missionaries is Isaiah Chapter 18. So we have the fall of Damascus in Chapter 17 and the confining of the missionaries in Chapter 18. As this matures we will have the civil war in Chapter 19. The rapture should take place right in there somewhere between Chapters 18 and 19. I wish i had the same eyes for Isaiah as you do boraddict. I read the chapter, and then the next, and the one after that and it stalls me out. You think: "a people tall and smooth-skinned, to a people feared far and wide, an aggressive nation of strange speech, whose land is divided by rivers.Is the USA, sending missionaries? "which sends envoys by sea in papyrus boats over the water.I don't know. My speech is not strange, is it? We speak the number one language in the world. It's the official language of air traffic control all over the globe. The USA sends Navy Seals UNDER the water in the Ohio Class USS Michigan guided missile submarine. Pretty. But it's not made out of paper. And i'm glad it's ours, and not theirs. America, America, God shed His Grace on thee.
|
|
|
Post by boraddict on Feb 10, 2019 21:21:03 GMT -6
Russia confining the missionaries is Isaiah Chapter 18. So we have the fall of Damascus in Chapter 17 and the confining of the missionaries in Chapter 18. As this matures we will have the civil war in Chapter 19. The rapture should take place right in there somewhere between Chapters 18 and 19. I wish i had the same eyes for Isaiah as you do boraddict. I read the chapter, and then the next, and the one after that and it stalls me out. You think: "a people tall and smooth-skinned, to a people feared far and wide, an aggressive nation of strange speech, whose land is divided by rivers.Is the USA, sending missionaries? "which sends envoys by sea in papyrus boats over the water.Dave here is the King James Version but the same analysis would apply to the version that you are using. "Woe to the land shadowing ( this is a reference to a type and shadow relationship) with wings (this is a reference to saints), which is beyond the rivers (this is a reference to armies) of Ethiopia: That (this is a reference to the armies) sendeth ambassadors by the sea (this is a reference to the population of man), even in vessels of bulrushes upon the waters, saying (the armies are saying), Go, ye swift messengers, to a nation scattered and peeled, to a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden down, whose land the rivers (this is a reference to armies) have spoiled!" (Isa. 18:1-2).Thus the following: Woe to the land that is a shadow of a type with saints, which land is beyond the armies of Ethiopia: That said army sendeth ambassadors by the population of man, even in vessels of bulrushes upon the waters, said army saying to the ambassadors, Go, ye swift messengers, to a nation scattered and peeled, to a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden down, whose land the armies have spoiled! As you can see, the armies of Ethiopia are not the armies that spoiled the land. That is, the armies of Ethiopia are sending messengers to a land which has historically been plundered by armies. Yet, the armies of Ethiopia are not going to plunder but give a message. Since the land is a shadow of a type that has saints then the type has had saints as well. Thus, the message was to the saints of the type and is now to the saints of the shadow. Meaning the message came to the saints of another land and it is now going unto the saints of the Verses 18:1-2 land, and what is the message to the saints but the gospel. Therefore, the army of Ethiopia it the army of Israel that sends missionaries to the land that has been historically ravished by armies. Who are the armies of Israel with the message but the Christians spreading the gospel. Thus Verse 18:1-2 is saying Woe to the land having missionaries sent to them via the Christians. Naturally, the woe is their destruction. Thus, the land having missionaries sent unto them will be destroyed. The missionaries went to Russia beginning in 1992. Thus it is that the saints in Russia have been called out and are awaiting for their rapture after which Russia will be destroyed. Post Script: The "vessels of bulrushes upon the waters" has something to do with Bibles from Lord Jesus; something like that.
|
|
|
Post by bondservant on Feb 14, 2019 7:50:07 GMT -6
Romans 15:1-7 English Standard Version (ESV)
15 We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves. 2 Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up. 3 For Christ did not please Himself, but as it is written, “The reproaches of those who reproached you fell on Me.”4 For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. 5 May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to live in such harmony with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus, 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 7 Therefore welcome one another as Christ has welcomed you, for the glory of God.
|
|
|
Post by davewatchman on Mar 3, 2019 12:29:45 GMT -6
You might be right. I'm not AS worried about it as i was a couple years ago. But it's never a bad idea to have some supply in case the lights go out for awhile. A couple three years ago i was paranoid about it. I thought we might have to get through a couple three winters with maybe no furnace running. So i have a 55 gallon drum of kerosene in the basement and hurricane lamps and kerosene heaters and chainsaws and fishing poles and enough cat food for a couple more cats. But now i think that the Lord is at hand. I think the second coming is just going to happen suddenly and we will be gone very fast. In 1992 my husband bought 2,700 pounds of wheat. Can you believe that? The wheat is in 50 pound double bags and nitrogen packed. What are we going to do with that much wheat? You can't eat it unless it is cooked as bread. I think at some point we will give it away. He also purchased something like 700 pounds of pinto beans. Really? He did however purchase 500 pounds of rice and we have used some of that. Additionally he has collected numerous 1 gallon tins of dry food. You know, meals in the can and those are quite useful. He also has diesel fuel; for what? Then 2,000 gallons of water in 50 gallon barrels. Like how much water does a person really need? It's all okay. I don't care. I don't know about all that wheat. I had similar thoughts though. We need flour to make bread. This morning my grocery store had TWO 22 pound bags of flour packaged together in heavy duty plastic for $8:00 Canadian. That must be like 6 bucks USA. Those were big bags. You need a cheap grain mill to turn that wheat into flour. Like this one: www.amazon.com/Victoria-Commercial-Manual-Grinder-Hopper/dp/B00JZZKLHII got this one to grind whole corn. They're around 50 bucks or less. Made in Columbia. Make sure you get the one with the large hopper like the one in the picture. If you get two, you and your sister can both be grinding at the same time. Then two women can be grinding at the mill, one might be taken, one might be left? They work good. I leave mine out clamped to the table all the time, it looks cool. They will grind whole dried corn kernels or small wheat grains and beer hops. The knob at the end is adjustable for various size material. Some people take the handle off and attach an electric drill. We always keep ventilated barrels of whole corn for the animals. This feed corn is cheap at the farm store in 80 pound sacks. I can grind it up and make emergency pan fried corn bread on an outdoor three or four block rocket stove. Like this one: I tested it. It works very good. I have bags of rice too. That's a good idea. I have a pool full of water and a lake at the end of my street, so i wasn't worried about water. There's a way to purify water with just a tiny amount of the SHOCK type of pool chlorine. The info is on the net. A 1-pound bag of calcium hypochlorite in granular form will treat up to 10,000 gallons of drinking water. Some people use bleach, but bleach gets weak in storage. Pool shock is so effective that it has to be pre-diluted, and then diluted again. Put a teaspoon into two gallons of water, and then use 1 part of THAT solution to disinfect 100 parts of water. survivaltopics.com/better-than-bleach-use-calcium-hypochlorite-to-disinfect-water/But all this stuff makes me think of that guy who stored up many years of grain in his barn. “Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.” ’
“But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’I find your chainsaw idea interesting. So let's say you go out to cut some wood and 2 miles away people hear you cutting firewood. You will have unwanted guests at your dinner table. It would be better for you to get a battery powered chainsaw and a solar generator to charge the battery. When this all goes down you will need to remain quiet. Do not go out to cut firewood or do anything else. Just stay in your home and fast and pray. Then one day soon the Savior will collect his saints from throughout the earth. I bet the reason for the wait is to allow others to collect themselves to the fold. It is called Passover for a reason. The saints are passed over when the destroying scourge comes. The big question is, How long do they wait in their homes? In my opinion it is not long but like I said, 7 weeks. You need enough food and water for that length of time. Yep, you're right. That would be like starting up a gasoline generator, LOUD. I have gas. I have propane. I have steaks and hamburgers. C'mon over! And it does seem a violation of this: "Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by.I also went a bit nuts on AA and AAA batteries and LED flashlights. But i don't think these things are even necessary anymore. I think God is in charge of all of this, ALL of it. Nobody will escape a job assignment in this. "If anyone is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes;
"If anyone is to be slain with the sword, with the sword must he be slain.
"Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.
This means to me that if anyone is to stand before the Son of Man when Jesus gets here, there is not anything that will stop it. AND it will not happen by chance or luck.
|
|
|
Post by rt on Mar 5, 2019 10:04:07 GMT -6
This passage also talks about the perseverance of the saints. I think the point is that what keeps the saints standing firm in faith is knowing that their enemies will receive their recompense- eternal lack of rest and torment, while they will go on to receive their reward- eternal rest and blessing.
This passage I think points to the same idea. It is a paraphrase from Jeremiah 15:1. God was not pleased with Israel because they had forsaken Him. God tells Jeremiah to say to these rebellious ones :
These destinies await the rebellious, that is an encouragement to the saints, because we know that punishment awaits those who forsake God, and we know that reward awaits us!
If you read further in Jeremiah you see that God appoints doom to the rebellious. Jeremiah asks the Lord to remember him:
This is Jeremiah's perseverance and ours.
|
|
|
Post by venge on Mar 21, 2019 7:42:10 GMT -6
RT,
Great job putting that together! Love when scripture verifies scripture, here a little there a little. I must wonder, why do you think the Lord said to move the precious from the worthless? Jeremiah underwent severe persecution to be refined as gold. Do you think Christians today can experience severe persecution like he did to be refined as gold before the rapture?
|
|
|
Post by chohouston on Mar 21, 2019 9:39:46 GMT -6
Thanks for these verses rt . Just going to add my thoughts in regards to this. Captivity of Judah - Babylon (Is this the same spiritual war that is going on today?)
The spirit is about resting from our works (repentance!) and knowing God's sovereignty and his will and walking in faith.... this will produce good fruit. Why? Because we worship Jesus for WHO HE IS... knowing we cannot inherit anything in the flesh and the debt that he paid was for ALL. “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’ “Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.”Christ saved all on the cross. He did it. We claim it. He did it.... and HE is continuing His work in people through the administration of Judgement. Just like the judgement that Jeremiah had over Judah, the people kept believing in their own abilities and desires so God administers judgement over them. Judgement is not a bad thing because it brings in repentance. This is what Christ is doing in us. We are being made perfect through submitting to our Lord. We need to stop relying on our own labours to find favor but we need to rest in HIS plan! We also see the details of this judgement and WHY Judah fell in ch Jeremiah 44: Jer 44:25 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows. Jer 44:26 Therefore hear ye the word of the LORD, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the LORD, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord GOD liveth. Jer 44:27 Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until there be an end of them. Jer 44:28 Yet a small number that escape the sword shall return out of the land of Egypt into the land of Judah, and all the remnant of Judah, that are gone into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, shall know whose words shall stand, mine, or theirs. Jer 44:29 And this shall be a sign unto you, saith the LORD, that I will punish you in this place, that ye may know that my words shall surely stand against you for evil: Jer 44:30 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will give Pharaohhophra king of Egypt into the hand of his enemies, and into the hand of them that seek his life; as I gave Zedekiah king of Judah into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, his enemy, and that sought his life.It is this so called "Queen" that rides the beast (Rev 17) that is in charge of the spiritual grip that Mystery Babylon had on Judah back in 607BC and the same spirit that keeps us in slavery from the world system today. When we say I AM over the one and true King, we are turning away from worshiping in Spirit and Truth. We break His commandments when we have other Gods before Him. We break his commandments when we have idols above Him. We break His commandments when we say I AM. Isa 47:7 And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it. Isa 47:8 Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children: Zep 2:15 This is the rejoicing city that dwelt carelessly, that said in her heart, I am, and there is none beside me: how is she become a desolation, a place for beasts to lie down in! every one that passeth by her shall hiss, and wag his hand.Notice the I AM - notice there NONE ELSE BESIDE ME. This is reserved for one being - The Lord God Almighty - Our God, Our Lord, Our Savior - Our King. Deu 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.
1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Over 160 times we see this phrase: I AM Yahweh.There can be only One - yet many have set themselves up and each, in time, has been made desolate by the One True King. The desolation is necessary in order to bring us to the point of seeing that we can only achieve salvation in Him. Not through our work. Not through our choice. Not through our belief. He is our salvation and there is no Rock like our God! And we have this in Rev 17 speaking of the same "queen" that controls the rebellious heart: And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness; and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious [c]stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality, 5 and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” 6 And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the [d]saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered [e]greatly. 7 And the angel said to me, “Why [f]do you wonder? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
Who is our heart worshiping? I will be the first to admit that it is a constant battle but we need to continue to hear the word of God and die to self and walk in faith. When we don't believe in the sovereignty of God, we say "I AM".... we take away what He did on the cross. We all take a turn in piercing Jesus' side. "If anyone is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes;
"If anyone is to be slain with the sword, with the sword must he be slain.
Do we actually think we have free will? I know this is a touchy subject to some but this is a huge idol that is an opposing idea to God's sovereignty and HIS will. Blessings brothers and sisters! There is great hope. All who are weary, seek first HIS KINGDOM, for the time is near. It is not what we can do to find favor in God's eye, it is quite the opposite. The Kingdom of Heaven is dying to self. The only way in is through the narrow gates. Which mark do you carry? Do you carry God's fiery Law on your forehead or do we follow our own ways and doctrines and seek after worldly things. Here is a call for the endurance of the saints.
|
|
|
Post by barbiosheepgirl on Mar 21, 2019 10:04:43 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by venge on Mar 21, 2019 10:14:53 GMT -6
You’re not the only one. Sin affects us all. Paul talked about it greatly. As much as I think good, it’s always waiting giving me ideas no matter how hard I try to block it. Many times I win. Sometimes I’ve lost and feel ashamed. Idols are everywhere. TV, computers, iPhones, vacations, sports, clothing, famous people and so on... There is a balance to enjoy life in those things. God allows it. But we aren’t to put them over Him. When your heart desires something over His will, it’s an idol. Example: Deadpool 2 came out. It’s rated R for profanity. Do you say, it’s marvel so I can handle it. I’m not the one cursing. Do you break it down to think it’s ok? Be ye holy for I am holy! God said that. What holiness is light with dark? If your eye is darkened, the whole body will be darkened. Do not put things contrary to God and his will before him.
As you said, do not say I AM can handle it. I’ll be fine. Flee temptation. Do I want to see Deadpool 2? Yep. Love marvel movies. I won’t watch it till it’s cleaned up. No cursing, no blasphemy like the Pizza Hut girls commercial, no nudity etc..
|
|
|
Post by chohouston on Mar 21, 2019 11:14:35 GMT -6
You’re not the only one. Sin affects us all. Paul talked about it greatly. As much as I think good, it’s always waiting giving me ideas no matter how hard I try to block it. Many times I win. Sometimes I’ve lost and feel ashamed. Idols are everywhere. TV, computers, iPhones, vacations, sports, clothing, famous people and so on... There is a balance to enjoy life in those things. God allows it. But we aren’t to put them over Him. When your heart desires something over His will, it’s an idol. Example: Deadpool 2 came out. It’s rated R for profanity. Do you say, it’s marvel so I can handle it. I’m not the one cursing. Do you break it down to think it’s ok? Be ye holy for I am holy! God said that. What holiness is light with dark? If your eye is darkened, the whole body will be darkened. Do not put things contrary to God and his will before him. As you said, do not say I AM can handle it. I’ll be fine. Flee temptation. Do I want to see Deadpool 2? Yep. Love marvel movies. I won’t watch it till it’s cleaned up. No cursing, no blasphemy like the Pizza Hut girls commercial, no nudity etc.. That is the beauty of our Lord. He has saved us all from sin. Legally, sin doesn't have bondage over us anymore. Do we still sin? yes and we have to understand that scripture is asking for "SINNERS TO REPENT" not for us to repent from sins (although like you mentioned, we should always repent from ours sins Rom 6:15). My point is, scripture is saying "SINNERS REPENT"! not "repent from our sins". The two are very different. One involves dying to self and one involves a work. Blessings venge
|
|
|
Post by mike on Mar 21, 2019 12:54:28 GMT -6
You’re not the only one. Sin affects us all. Paul talked about it greatly. As much as I think good, it’s always waiting giving me ideas no matter how hard I try to block it. Many times I win. Sometimes I’ve lost and feel ashamed. Idols are everywhere. TV, computers, iPhones, vacations, sports, clothing, famous people and so on... There is a balance to enjoy life in those things. God allows it. But we aren’t to put them over Him. When your heart desires something over His will, it’s an idol. Example: Deadpool 2 came out. It’s rated R for profanity. Do you say, it’s marvel so I can handle it. I’m not the one cursing. Do you break it down to think it’s ok? Be ye holy for I am holy! God said that. What holiness is light with dark? If your eye is darkened, the whole body will be darkened. Do not put things contrary to God and his will before him. As you said, do not say I AM can handle it. I’ll be fine. Flee temptation. Do I want to see Deadpool 2? Yep. Love marvel movies. I won’t watch it till it’s cleaned up. No cursing, no blasphemy like the Pizza Hut girls commercial, no nudity etc.. Funny - it was on a regular cable channel (or maybe it was the first one) and my (13 yr. old) daughter & I were watching it. And wouldnt you know I heard EFF bombs. I said "Did i just hear what I thought?" She said "yeah that wasnt the first time either". Had to turn it off
|
|
|
Post by venge on Mar 22, 2019 11:45:12 GMT -6
Yeah mike, regular TV and kids shows are terrible. I hear so much borderline cuss words on top of constant blasphemy words that the world has popularized in social media like “OM and the letter before H.” I don’t want my daughters thinking it’s ok. His name is not trivial. It only shows us the time we live in.
|
|
|
Post by mike on Mar 22, 2019 11:56:28 GMT -6
Venge - we can escape it. Its in our faces daily. We can change the channel and help those we have influence over to point them in the right direction. I get frustrated sometimes those in my own house, with friends and acquaintances as they dont "feel" the way I "feel" about Jesus. They may acknowledge He came for our sins and will return but arent watching out the window for Him today, then tomorrow, and Sunday and so on. I am learning that I cant walk for them nor do I walk in their shoes. I often silently pray for those who take His name in vain and things of the like rather than trying to tell them to "do" things differently. Its much more productive that way.
|
|