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Post by daniel on Feb 2, 2019 13:19:05 GMT -6
Picking up where Rightly Dividing - Just Right left off, I'm even more excited to share this one: brokenforrestoration.blogspot.com/2019/02/women-widows-and-70th-week.htmlIntro paragraph: As part of the Revelation 12 Sign discovery, prophecy students have gained familiarity with the woman, child, labor motif in scripture. This post aims to further explore the meaning of each, and other closely related ones, such as husband, marriage, widow. These are important! Let's observe what scripture has to say about them, and use our discoveries to paint a more vibrant picture of the end of this present age. May the Spirit guide you, and may the LORD give you as much hope and encouragement as He has given me in this study.
As always, I appreciate your thoughts, opinions, and even corrections. May the LORD bless you and keep you in Christ!
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Post by davewatchman on Feb 2, 2019 19:01:47 GMT -6
Picking up where Rightly Dividing - Just Right left off, I'm even more excited to share this one: brokenforrestoration.blogspot.com/2019/02/women-widows-and-70th-week.htmlIntro paragraph: As part of the Revelation 12 Sign discovery, prophecy students have gained familiarity with the woman, child, labor motif in scripture. This post aims to further explore the meaning of each, and other closely related ones, such as husband, marriage, widow. These are important! Let's observe what scripture has to say about them, and use our discoveries to paint a more vibrant picture of the end of this present age. May the Spirit guide you, and may the LORD give you as much hope and encouragement as He has given me in this study.
As always, I appreciate your thoughts, opinions, and even corrections. May the LORD bless you and keep you in Christ! It would also mean the 70th Week would start when Israel is 77. Do you remember what Jesus said about how many times to forgive someone? Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” 22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times. Matthew 18:21-22 (NIV) As this source explains, if Jesus was quoting the Hebrew text, the number used was 77. If He was quoting the septuagint, it was 70*7 = 490. I find this very interesting. All of this is why I used 84 in the Ruth exploration above. It would be unsurprising for the LORD to begin to deal with Israel once again at the age of 77. But, like me, you might feel sadness if this is correct, because it would mean more waiting for our Blessed Hope (Titus 2:13). I recommend staying watchful at all times. As with any of us speculating about dates and times, we could all be way off. Maybe this is all intended to throw off the enemy! So be prepared and expectant for Jesus to come get us at any moment. As I have told the LORD often: LORD... I'd rather be raptured than right. But if the LORD does intend to keep us here a little longer, it means Life for the world, because He lives in us by His Spirit. Ask your heavenly Father personally what He desires for you while you rest in Him, and wait. For me, He has given encouragement, hope, and expectation of what may occur between now and His return. An exciting post for another time if we are still here. That it does Daniel, life for the world. More time for the earth to rejoice in the day that the Lord has made. You've done an excellent piece of work here, but i think we're closer. So i have too much of a built in bias to make a qualified comment on your effort. But like you say, i could be way off. But i did like how you've included the seven times into the equation. Welcome to the forum.
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Post by daniel on Feb 2, 2019 23:19:54 GMT -6
Thanks for the kind remarks! And I certainly hope you are right about our exit being sooner.
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Post by boraddict on Feb 3, 2019 4:15:42 GMT -6
My version of Groundhogs Day.
Put on your green slippers then three times say "I want to go home" and click your heals together.
"I want to go home" click, click "I want to go home" click, click "I want to go home" click, click
You have seven more years of winter.
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Post by davewatchman on Feb 3, 2019 5:01:38 GMT -6
My version of Groundhogs Day. Put on your green slippers then three times say "I want to go home" and click your heals together. "I want to go home" click, click "I want to go home" click, click "I want to go home" click, click Congratulations on your 500 posts Dorothy. There's no place like home. You have seven more years of winter. Seven good ears, or seven bad ears? Are the seven empty ears scorched by the east wind? Like the angel that ascendeth from the east. And lightning from the east and to the west. Due to the earth's rotation, Visitors from Heaven will appear in the eastern sky. Like the KIngs from the East. "Hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne, And from the wrath of the Lamb. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
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Post by daniel on Feb 3, 2019 14:05:59 GMT -6
So thanks to Barry Scarbrough's recent post on Daniel's 70 Weeks, something hit me this morning, and I made an important edit concerning the 77 and 490. Wow! The LORD's timing is always impeccable. Thanks, LORD. [------- EDIT: Feb 3rd, 2019. Of course this is no coincidence, but just after I posted yesterday, I watched Barry Scarbrough's newly posted video, where he went over the two fold fulfillment of Daniel's 70 Week prophecy. He reviews the idea that Suleiman's decree of 1535 is another fulfillment of the 70 Weeks of years, in which 2018-2019 is the 483rd, and the 70th Week is about to start. Now, this wasn't new to me. I remember when Daniel Matson first published the idea here. But something hit me this morning: perhaps it is more specific than just a primary and secondary fulfillment. Keeping in line with seeing both Israel and the body of Christ in scripture, Daniel 9 could be describing the final 70 Weeks of Israel in the plain text, and in a more hidden way, simultaneously describing the final 70 Weeks of the part-gentile body of Christ. Right now, the LORD is not working through Israel. This turning point comes at the start of the 70th Week of Israel. Perhaps these hidden 70 Weeks for us are describing the final time period of the fullness of the gentiles (Rom 11:25). Meaning, we are here for our 70th Week just like Israel will be here for hers. Just think about what the rapture means to the body of Christ. Can we not see the shadows and hints of the the body of Christ, the heavenly Jerusalem, the throne room of God, and the completion the church age in the following verse? “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place. Daniel 9:24
Now let's rewind to Matthew 18:22. The septuagint was a text written in the language of the gentiles. If Jesus was quoting it, then He said "70 times 7", which is 490. The end of that 490 year time frame is THE SAME YEAR Israel turns 77, the very number of the Hebrew text, or "77 times". So if this idea is correct, our 70th Week is not the same as Israel's. It would mean our 70th Week is NOW. This could be our final 7 years. -------]
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Post by davewatchman on Feb 3, 2019 16:37:48 GMT -6
So thanks to Barry Scarbrough's recent post on Daniel's 70 Weeks, something hit me this morning, and I made an important edit concerning the 77 and 490. Wow! The LORD's timing is always impeccable. Thanks, LORD. [------- EDIT: Feb 3rd, 2019. Of course this is no coincidence, but just after I posted yesterday, I watched Barry Scarbrough's newly posted video, where he went over the two fold fulfillment of Daniel's 70 Week prophecy. He reviews the idea that Suleiman's decree of 1535 is another fulfillment of the 70 Weeks of years, in which 2018-2019 is the 483rd, and the 70th Week is about to start. Now, this wasn't new to me. I remember when Daniel Matson first published the idea here. But something hit me this morning: perhaps it is more specific than just a primary and secondary fulfillment. Keeping in line with seeing both Israel and the body of Christ in scripture, Daniel 9 could be describing the final 70 Weeks of Israel in the plain text, and in a more hidden way, simultaneously describing the final 70 Weeks of the part-gentile body of Christ. Right now, the LORD is not working through Israel. This turning point comes at the start of the 70th Week of Israel. Perhaps these hidden 70 Weeks for us are describing the final time period of the fullness of the gentiles (Rom 11:25). Meaning, we are here for our 70th Week just like Israel will be here for hers. Just think about what the rapture means to the body of Christ. Can we not see the shadows and hints of the the body of Christ, the heavenly Jerusalem, the throne room of God, and the completion the church age in the following verse? “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place. Daniel 9:24
Now let's rewind to Matthew 18:22. The septuagint was a text written in the language of the gentiles. If Jesus was quoting it, then He said "70 times 7", which is 490. The end of that 490 year time frame is THE SAME YEAR Israel turns 77, the very number of the Hebrew text, or "77 times". So if this idea is correct, our 70th Week is not the same as Israel's. It would mean our 70th Week is NOW. This could be our final 7 years. -------]I watched the Barry Scarborough too, i can't believe i did. 41 minutes long, ARE YOU SERIOUS. The big action for me was when his dog jumped on the couch. Cool dog. I started watching it last night, fell asleep, then started it up again this morning. I think i agree with you for the important part when you say: "It would mean our 70th Week is NOW. But i don't (THINK) that we're just starting a 7 year tribulation. It's 62 weeks and 7 weeks until Messiah the Prince. UNTIL MESSIAH THE PRINCE. But i think the 70th week is now, it's happening right now. Or it's about to happen now. I'm sure that there's a LOT more going on with what Barry is trying to talk about. I don't agree with dual fulfillment of apocalyptic prophecy. But that's not what i think Daniel 9 was. There's more going on with it than we know. The Old Time Jews might have accepted their Messiah. They might have redeemed the 70 weeks. They (MIGHT) not have missed the time of their Visitation. There might not have needed to be a second coming in the same way that we are waiting for one now. Think about that for a second. We are awaiting the greatest event in the history of mankind. But there needed to be embedded within that enigmatic text, a provision for two comings of Messiah, a primary, and a secondary. All based on various decrees to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem. That had to be one of the reasons for "desolations are decreed". Every time they knock it down, there's an inevitable command to restore and to rebuild it again. Check out this old forum post from 2012 biblocality: biblocality.com/forums/showthread.php?4801-1967-or-1969-marks-the-decree-to-rebuildThey we're talking about it back then. And that seems like a million years ago.
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Post by daniel on Feb 4, 2019 8:13:56 GMT -6
Thanks for your thoughts, davewatchman . I perused your forum link (wow! it does feel like a million years ago). I'm going to keep pondering all of this, and remain "open". When you say, "I don't agree with dual fulfillment of apocalyptic prophecy", how do you interpret what Paul said in Galatians 4:27 when he quotes Isaiah 54:1 and applies it to the body of Christ?
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Post by daniel on Feb 7, 2019 16:16:15 GMT -6
Sorry for the spam. After rereading my previous edit, I found it confusing. Tried to clarify below. [------- EDIT: Feb 3rd, 2019. Of course this is no coincidence, but just after I posted yesterday, I watched Barry Scarbrough's newly posted video, where he went over the two fold fulfillment of Daniel's 70 Week prophecy. He reviews the idea that Suleiman's decree of 1535 is another fulfillment of the 70 Weeks of years, in which 2018-2019 is the 483rd, and the 70th Week is about to start. Now, this wasn't new to me. I remember when Daniel Matson first published the idea here. But something hit me this morning: perhaps it is more specific than just a primary and secondary fulfillment. Keeping in line with seeing both Israel and the body of Christ in scripture, Daniel 9 could be describing the final 70 Weeks of Israel in the plain text, and in a more hidden way, simultaneously describing the final 70 Weeks of the part-gentile body of Christ. Israel's began in 445 BC and was interrupted. Perhaps ours began in 1535 and is contiguous. TWO separate 7 year blocks of time. TWO separate 70th Weeks. Back to back.Right now, the LORD is not working through Israel. This turning point comes at the start of the 70th Week of Israel. Perhaps these hidden 70 Weeks for us are describing the final time period of the fullness of the gentiles (Rom 11:25). Meaning, we are here for our 70th Week just like Israel will be here for hers. Just think about what the rapture means to the body of Christ. Can we not see the shadows and hints of the the body of Christ, the heavenly Jerusalem, the throne room of God, and the completion the church age in the following verse? “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place. Daniel 9:24Now let's rewind to Matthew 18:22. The septuagint was a text written in the language of the gentiles. If Jesus was quoting it, then He said "70 times 7", which is 490. The end of the 490 year time frame mentioned above is 2025 (1535 + 490), THE SAME YEAR Israel turns 77, the very number of the Hebrew text, or "77 times". So if this idea is correct, our 70th Week is not the same as Israel's. It would mean our 70th Week is NOW. This could be our final 7 years. -------]
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Post by klb on Feb 7, 2019 20:24:31 GMT -6
Made me think of Joseph's interpretation of the Pharaoh's dream - seven years of plenty and seven years of famine.
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Post by daniel on Feb 7, 2019 21:07:04 GMT -6
Absolutely, klb . And I don’t think it’s a coincidence.
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Post by davewatchman on Feb 9, 2019 10:23:50 GMT -6
Thanks for your thoughts, davewatchman . I perused your forum link (wow! it does feel like a million years ago). I'm going to keep pondering all of this, and remain "open". When you say, "I don't agree with dual fulfillment of apocalyptic prophecy", how do you interpret what Paul said in Galatians 4:27 when he quotes Isaiah 54:1 and applies it to the body of Christ? I don't know about Galatians. Or i don't know about Romans. Or i can't think of what to say about them. I don't want to think about them right now. I like Paul though. He was a tireless worker to the end. I think that sometimes Paul was talking to a specific group of people that lived in a specific area with specific things going on. I like 2 Thessalonians 2 . That's one that i think i know about. I heard of the idea of "dual" prophecy before when looking into the Olivet Discourse. Some people thought that it might be a dual prophecy. I don't think so. I'm a student of a really nice guy from Ohio named Larry Wilson. The guy is a genius, but he's not feeling very well right now. Walking in the valley of the shadow, he fears no evil. He got the ALS quick and hard. I can't find where he has it written down, but i'll try to write it out as best as i can remember. Larry has identified five different types of Bible Prophecy. Each of these five types seems to have different qualities and specifications. 1) Local ProphecyA specific prophecy that pertained to a specific time and place. These would include Noah's flood, or Jonah's visit to the people of Nineveh. 2) Messianic ProphecyThese had to do with Jesus' first Visitation. Like Isaiah 52 He Was Pierced for Our TransgressionsBehold, my servant shall act wisely; he shall be high and lifted up, and shall be exalted.
As many were astonished at you— his appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance, and his form beyond that of the children of mankind— so shall he sprinkle many nations.
Kings shall shut their mouths because of him, for that which has not been told them they see, and that which they have not heard they understand.3) Day of the Lord ProphecyVery peculiar in their structure. Like Isaiah 13. John MacArthur calls them near / far prophecies. In a Day of the Lord Prophecy the Prophet can begin in an ancient Day of the Lord event to do with the Babylonians, and then seems to peer down through the millennia to the final and ultimate Day of the Lord that will include all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 4) Judaic Prophecy
These seemed to be conditional prophecies that pertained to ancient Israel. If you do this, then I will do that. If they put away the bodies of their dead kings, then show them the Plan of the Temple. "If you fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. All these blessings will come on you and accompany you if you obey the Lord your God:5) Apocalyptic ProphecyApocalyptic Prophesy has unique characteristics. They appear to be separated by chronological order. Each of these have a beginning point in time, and an ending point in time. There are 17 Apocalyptic prophecies, and 18 prophetic time periods, in the Books of Daniel and Revelation. I also think Matthew 24, Mark 13 and 2 Thessalonians 2 would fit the criteria of this end time type of prophecy.
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Feb 9, 2019 12:39:24 GMT -6
Nice write up on the blog site. I just did a teaching on 1 Samuel 1-8 that goes over the Day of the LORD in types and shadows. The woman, husband, marriage motif is also found in the opening chapters of 1 Samuel.
"Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child." Isaiah 66:7
In 1 Samuel chapter 1 we see a husband who has 2 wives. 1 wife has children and the other wife is barren. God shows us how the first will be last and the last will be first.
Elkanah is the husband
Peninnah is the wife with children
Hannah is the barren wife
In types and shadows, Elkanah is Yeshua
Peninnah is Israel who came first
Hannah is the church who comes last
Hannah also means grace and she receives a "double portion" from her husband.
The "double portion" that is shadowed in Hannah is revealed in Jesus words to Peter after He had addressed the rich young ruler in Mark 10. Also the "first, last and last, first" motif is included at the end.
"28Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee. 29And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, 30But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. 31But many that are first shall be last; and the last first."Mark 10:28-31
So in the story in 1 Samuel chapter 1, we see that the Church comes last when Hannah (grace) finally conceives Samuel! Samuel is the man-child! He was birthed before the labor pains came upon Israel! The man child was born before Israel went into labor (the Great Tribulation)
" 20Wherefore it came to pass, when the time was come about after Hannah had conceived, that she bare a son, and called his name Samuel, saying, Because I have asked him of the LORD."1 Samuel 1:20
The Birth of Samuel mentions no birth pains or a woman being in travail. Why? Because God is showing us Isaiah 66:7 being played out!
After Samuel is weaned by Hannah, she brings him to the house of the LORD to be there forever! This is a shadow of the rapture!
"21And the man Elkanah, and all his house, went up to offer unto the LORD the yearly sacrifice, and his vow. 22But Hannah went not up; for she said unto her husband, I will not go up until the child be weaned, and then I will bring him, that he may appear before the LORD, and there abide for ever."1 Samuel 1:21
We then see that all 7 churches are shadowed in the prayer of Hannah where she says this:
"5They that were full have hired out themselves for bread; and they that were hungry ceased: so that the barren hath born seven; and she that hath many children is waxed feeble." 1 Samuel 2:5
There are 7 churches in Revelation! And the fullness of the man-child is the 7 churches! It's The body of Christ. So Hannah (grace) bore the man-child (7 churches) while the one who had many children (Peninnah who represents Israel) grew feeble during the church age!
*also when you count Hannah, Samuel, the 3 other sons, and 2 daughters that she bore and add them all together you get 7!
"21And the LORD visited Hannah, so that she conceived, and bare three sons and two daughters. And the child Samuel grew before the LORD."1 Samuel 2:21
So we see that the church in all of it's fullness is birthed, weaned, and taken to the house of the LORD to be there forever BEFORE the labor pains come upon the woman and she travails! When the LORD comes and stands in the temple Samuel (the man child which is the church) is already in the House of the LORD and protected from what is about to come on the planet during the tribulation!
The labor pains that come upon the woman when the Tribulation begins only happens when:
1. Samuel (the church) is already safe inside the house of the LORD
"10And the LORD came, and stood, and called as at other times, Samuel, Samuel. Then Samuel answered, Speak; for thy servant heareth." 1 Samuel 3:10
2. When the doors of the temple are opened
"15And Samuel lay until the morning, and opened the doors of the house of the LORD. And Samuel feared to shew Eli the vision." 1 Samuel 3:15
3. The ark of the covenant comes out of the temple
"And when the people were come into the camp, the elders of Israel said, Wherefore hath the LORD smitten us to day before the Philistines? Let us fetch the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of Shiloh unto us, that, when it cometh among us, it may save us out of the hand of our enemies. 4So the people sent to Shiloh, that they might bring from thence the ark of the covenant of the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth between the cherubims: and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, were there with the ark of the covenant of God." 1 Samuel 4:3-4
It's not until all 3 of those events happen that then the labor pains come upon the woman in travail because the time of Jacobs trouble has begun. We see the woman in travail with the birth of Ichabod!
"19And his daughter in law, Phinehas' wife, was with child, near to be delivered: and when she heard the tidings that the ark of God was taken, and that her father in law and her husband were dead, she bowed herself and travailed; for her pains came upon her. 20And about the time of her death the women that stood by her said unto her, Fear not; for thou hast born a son. But she answered not, neither did she regard it. 21And she named the child Ichabod, saying, The glory is departed from Israel: because the ark of God was taken, and because of her father in law and her husband. 22And she said, The glory is departed from Israel: for the ark of God is taken." 1 Samuel 4:19-22
The type and shadow is absolute perfection! Only God can do something like this! It's beyond amazing! And there is so much more! If you keep on reading the story we see the day of sudden destruction play out in full, which includes:
Gog and Magog Psalm 83 The 10 Kings The Peace Treaty (covenant of death) The arrival of Wormwood False peace The Demand of a King to rule over Israel (THE ANTICHRIST)
I went over some of the amazing things that we see in 1 Samuel 1-8 in the latest video I did. Uncovering some of the Jewels that God has hidden in the Hebrew are also brought out in the video. The bottom line is that the pre-trib rapture is 100% sure and it all happens when Jesus Christ stands up in order to come and get His bride! When that event happens the Ark of His covenant is seen! Just as 1 Samuel so beautifully portrays in Type and shadows! Amen!
"And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail." Revelation 11:19
It's the cloudy day! Amen!
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Post by daniel on Feb 11, 2019 10:02:24 GMT -6
douwant2go2heaven - that is absolutely incredible! WOW! Can you post a link to your video/blog/etc so I can link to it from my post? I'd love to study it more. Thank You, LORD sending additional insight from Your other children!
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Post by david on Feb 11, 2019 14:17:54 GMT -6
I believe this is the YouTube video you want.
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