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Post by venge on Nov 22, 2018 10:38:34 GMT -6
How do we vote, Republican or Democrat in the USA.
Many Evangelicals vote Republican because it holds some Christian virtues. 1. Family 2. Against Abortion 3. Pro Country and I can list more...
When I see some Demonize Democrats and say they are not Christian. But Democrats do things that align with the bible too. 1. Very generous to the poor and homeless 2. very generous to others outside our country
We have Christian virtues on both sides and both sides have things contrary to God.
How do we vote? I don't know. I am a Republican but many times I feel as if I should not vote at all.
I am for securing our borders, but at the same time, we should help those in need. The bible talks about looking out for others, helping those in need and LOVING your neighbor as yourself. That includes people in hostile countries. As this country pushes people out, we are doing what God said NOT TO DO!
We also have a problem. As our CIA has said that bin Salman of Saudi Arabia was complicate in the murder of Kashoogi.(I spelled it wrong). Yet, our nation will accept it to keep oil low and the flow of arms to secure a large deal between us and them. The bible has said in Hosea 12:6
Judgement is defined as Justice.
Justice is punishing Saudi Arabia. Not turning a blind eye for money! Did not Christ say we cannot serve God and Mammon. How our nation is turning away from God under the guise of Evangelicals supporting of all things. Our Leader is God and that is who we trust and who will search our souls. We must look to his laws for how we live our life.
The things happening today are not Christ like behavior and unacceptable. They are a stain on our flesh and we should not accept them from any political party. This doesn't make you proud of your country, this doesn't put you on the other political team and it doesn't make you the bad guy. The Jews were ready to sacrifice it all to get what they wanted for their country, even to kill the messiah.
Are Americans on either party willing to do the same? To sacrifice justice for wealth? To sacrifice immigrants that need help and loving them as ourselves would want to be loved for keep them out because we don't know them? We are to be a shining light on the earth. Our light is fading and the Christians of America are fading with it under the guise they walk in Christ with their mouth, yet their actions show differently.
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Post by fitz on Nov 22, 2018 18:23:17 GMT -6
I'm all for immigration. Just do it legally. We have a system and laws in place to handle folks that want to come to the US seeking a better life.
But don't think you can just jump the fence or swim the Rio Grande entering illegally and get any sympathy. Enter legally, following all of our laws and you will be welcome, but the line forms at the rear.
God does not begrudge us for asking foreigners to come here legally and follow our laws. He is a God of order, not chaos.
In the meantime, there is human suffering, so what should be done about it? This is not primarily the responsibility of the US government. No, it falls squarely in the lap of the Church. But much of the Church is out tonight getting their Black Friday deals rather than thinking about how to help someone less fortunate than themselves.
This isn;t a political problem, its a human problem.
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Post by venge on Nov 23, 2018 8:08:55 GMT -6
I'm all for immigration. Just do it legally. We have a system and laws in place to handle folks that want to come to the US seeking a better life. But don't think you can just jump the fence or swim the Rio Grande entering illegally and get any sympathy. Enter legally, following all of our laws and you will be welcome, but the line forms at the rear. God does not begrudge us for asking foreigners to come here legally and follow our laws. He is a God of order, not chaos. In the meantime, there is human suffering, so what should be done about it? This is not primarily the responsibility of the US government. No, it falls squarely in the lap of the Church. But much of the Church is out tonight getting their Black Friday deals rather than thinking about how to help someone less fortunate than themselves. This isn;t a political problem, its a human problem. Fitz, I agree that there should be order and a process to admit. I also agree that jumping fences and such are dangerous and should be ill advised. I am only suggesting that we, as a country, do better in this area. There are many that want a full ban. There are others that want very little in. I only suggest we treat others how we would want to be treated if we were trying to escape danger and give our families a better safer life. It becomes a political problem when politics get involved which it has. It is a human problem world wide. I am discussing the relevance of it being a political problem because what our country makes it out to be and how our 2 main political groups are at odds over how to deal with a "human problem".
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Nov 23, 2018 11:25:01 GMT -6
Look at the underlying spiritual problem of the subjects of these observations of yours, venge... 3“For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the passion of her immorality (fleshly desires, not God's desires), and the kings of the earth have committed acts of immorality with her (man has become his own god) and the merchants of the earth have become rich by the wealth of her sensuality (prosperity/technology/self-elevated satisfaction, AI and gene manipulation, dictators abounding/various wars for self-gain, the media).”
venge, you had a similar thread about Black Friday...your observations here parallel the same circumstance. As each day goes by, I believe that each one of us Faithful will begin to recognize the underlying "beast" of which the "harlot" sits...and will understand truly who what the harlot represents.. 18“The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.” This "city," that Spiritual one that John sees is the center of man operating his own "commerce" and "trade" , not God's. This elaborate "city" comprised of peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues, all operating apart from the Goodness of the Lord. It is what the second to last "kingdom" has built up en masse, especially now that we have knowledge increasing, to and fro (internet and media). Having become built of many things, that are not of God's laws and ways and means, so often we will see contradictory things like the US not holding Saudi accountable for fear of lost revenue, or retaliation, one political party betting on identity politics to maintain their control, countries invading other countries, leaders of countries starving their peoples, the list goes on: Think about it - if they obey the Father - He would not have reason to dismantle their kingdom. So He allows them to fight and struggle and in the end, seal their own judgment. 4I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues; 5for her sins have piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.this is the spiritual change, this REPENTANCE on a metropolitan scale is what will "destroy" this mystery babylon that has a grip on the heart of her inhabitants. God calling and the many responding. and MANY will... 6And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people; 7and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.” (don't worship yourselves and think you are running the show. I, your Almighty Lord God is in charge, has, is and always will!) 1After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying,
“Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God; 2BECAUSE HIS JUDGMENTS ARE TRUE AND RIGHTEOUS; for He has judged the great harlot who was corrupting the earth with her immorality, and HE HAS AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS BOND-SERVANTS ON HER.” (many having surrendered their authority(their harlotry), and turning to God. Notice that who is involved: the bond-servants..) 3And a second time they said, “Hallelujah! HER SMOKE RISES UP FOREVER AND EVER.” 4And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sits on the throne saying, “Amen. Hallelujah!” 5And a voice came from the throne, saying, “Give praise to our God, all you His (1)bond-servants, (2)you who fear Him, (3)the small and (4)the great.” 6Then I heard something like (1)the voice of a great multitude and (2)like the sound of many waters and (3)like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, saying, “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns. this "city" of many streets, byways, buildings, high-rises, river systems, airports, synagogues, churches of all religions, housing, sewer systems, stores, communication systems...all represent a spiritual example of how vast and complicated the root of evil within man having become his own god to rule his life his own way, apart from God the Almighty..even after He walked the earth and died for our sins, we(mankind) still chooses to let our own desires reign.. you venge , just made a witness to what will destroy the "city." It starts as a Seed of Truth, and one day will be a Great corporate Transformation! It has too, because we know what Kingdom will be the final one, and who that Ruler is! Hallelujah!
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Post by cwood85 on Nov 24, 2018 22:31:13 GMT -6
Look at the underlying spiritual problem of the subjects of these observations of yours, venge... 3“For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the passion of her immorality (fleshly desires, not God's desires), and the kings of the earth have committed acts of immorality with her (man has become his own god) and the merchants of the earth have become rich by the wealth of her sensuality (prosperity/technology/self-elevated satisfaction, AI and gene manipulation, dictators abounding/various wars for self-gain, the media).”
venge, you had a similar thread about Black Friday...your observations here parallel the same circumstance. As each day goes by, I believe that each one of us Faithful will begin to recognize the underlying "beast" of which the "harlot" sits...and will understand truly who what the harlot represents.. 18“The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.” This "city," that Spiritual one that John sees is the center of man operating his own "commerce" and "trade" , not God's. This elaborate "city" comprised of peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues, all operating apart from the Goodness of the Lord. It is what the second to last "kingdom" has built up en masse, especially now that we have knowledge increasing, to and fro (internet and media). Having become built of many things, that are not of God's laws and ways and means, so often we will see contradictory things like the US not holding Saudi accountable for fear of lost revenue, or retaliation, one political party betting on identity politics to maintain their control, countries invading other countries, leaders of countries starving their peoples, the list goes on: Think about it - if they obey the Father - He would not have reason to dismantle their kingdom. So He allows them to fight and struggle and in the end, seal their own judgment. 4I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues; 5for her sins have piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.this is the spiritual change, this REPENTANCE on a metropolitan scale is what will "destroy" this mystery babylon that has a grip on the heart of her inhabitants. God calling and the many responding. and MANY will... 6And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people; 7and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.” (don't worship yourselves and think you are running the show. I, your Almighty Lord God is in charge, has, is and always will!) 1After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying,
“Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God; 2BECAUSE HIS JUDGMENTS ARE TRUE AND RIGHTEOUS; for He has judged the great harlot who was corrupting the earth with her immorality, and HE HAS AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS BOND-SERVANTS ON HER.” (many having surrendered their authority(their harlotry), and turning to God. Notice that who is involved: the bond-servants..) 3And a second time they said, “Hallelujah! HER SMOKE RISES UP FOREVER AND EVER.” 4And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sits on the throne saying, “Amen. Hallelujah!” 5And a voice came from the throne, saying, “Give praise to our God, all you His (1)bond-servants, (2)you who fear Him, (3)the small and (4)the great.” 6Then I heard something like (1)the voice of a great multitude and (2)like the sound of many waters and (3)like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, saying, “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns. this "city" of many streets, byways, buildings, high-rises, river systems, airports, synagogues, churches of all religions, housing, sewer systems, stores, communication systems...all represent a spiritual example of how vast and complicated the root of evil within man having become his own god to rule his life his own way, apart from God the Almighty..even after He walked the earth and died for our sins, we(mankind) still chooses to let our own desires reign.. you venge , just made a witness to what will destroy the "city." It starts as a Seed of Truth, and one day will be a Great corporate Transformation! It has too, because we know what Kingdom will be the final one, and who that Ruler is! Hallelujah! This is too good to not post an Amen to!!! :-)
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Post by kjs on Nov 28, 2018 10:29:28 GMT -6
How do we vote, Republican or Democrat in the USA. Many Evangelicals vote Republican because it holds some Christian virtues. 1. Family 2. Against Abortion 3. Pro Country and I can list more... When I see some Demonize Democrats and say they are not Christian. But Democrats do things that align with the bible too. 1. Very generous to the poor and homeless 2. very generous to others outside our country We have Christian virtues on both sides and both sides have things contrary to God. How do we vote? I don't know. I am a Republican but many times I feel as if I should not vote at all. I am for securing our borders, but at the same time, we should help those in need. The bible talks about looking out for others, helping those in need and LOVING your neighbor as yourself. That includes people in hostile countries.As this country pushes people out, we are doing what God said NOT TO DO! We also have a problem. As our CIA has said that bin Salman of Saudi Arabia was complicate in the murder of Kashoogi.(I spelled it wrong). Yet, our nation will accept it to keep oil low and the flow of arms to secure a large deal between us and them. The bible has said in Hosea 12:6 Judgement is defined as Justice. Justice is punishing Saudi Arabia. Not turning a blind eye for money! Did not Christ say we cannot serve God and Mammon. How our nation is turning away from God under the guise of Evangelicals supporting of all things. Our Leader is God and that is who we trust and who will search our souls. We must look to his laws for how we live our life. The things happening today are not Christ like behavior and unacceptable. They are a stain on our flesh and we should not accept them from any political party. This doesn't make you proud of your country, this doesn't put you on the other political team and it doesn't make you the bad guy. The Jews were ready to sacrifice it all to get what they wanted for their country, even to kill the messiah. Are Americans on either party willing to do the same? To sacrifice justice for wealth? To sacrifice immigrants that need help and loving them as ourselves would want to be loved for keep them out because we don't know them? We are to be a shining light on the earth. Our light is fading and the Christians of America are fading with it under the guise they walk in Christ with their mouth, yet their actions show differently. I personally rarely vote for a particular party -- simply because "a candidate" is in a particular party -- does NOT mean that person can do the job.
Let us take an example -- which I expect to get some flake about -- but I think it shows how -- it really depends on the candidate and NOT the party.
I recently voted for a democrat for congress (I know shocker) -- the "cons" for this democrat -- was that she was Pro-Choice -- meaning she supported women having the right to have an abortion.
All the rest for this candidate was on the plus side (in my book) Items like -- Restrict access to Automatic and Semi-Automatic Guns, Limit the number of bullets in one magazine, More background checks for Gun owners
Her opponent (who was GOP) --was pro-life -- so that was his plus -- but he had already served for 10 years -- and basically had a mentality of entitlement, and had stopped worrying about the "common man".... He was "part of the swamp" -- that needs cleaned up in Washington....
Now thankfully -- he is GONE....
My point is -- rarely will one find a candidate that you can agree with 100% of the time with -- so vote candidate -- NOT PARTY....
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