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Post by david on Nov 7, 2018 9:21:10 GMT -6
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Post by bondservant on Nov 7, 2018 10:01:51 GMT -6
I'm sure I still have some from the 80's in my collection. I was not doubting the existence. I do not recall any of them making the proposed assertions.
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Post by rt on Nov 7, 2018 22:55:02 GMT -6
Totally agree that the seven heads/mountains represent kingdoms. But they are also kings. A nation cannot come out of the abyss, but a personality can, who will inhabit the final king, also known as the little horn, the mouth of the Revelation 13 beast and the eighth king of revelation 17, the son of perdition, the antichrist, and the lawless one. A nation cannot go to destruction, which I believe is talking about the lake of fire not just simply the fact that it is destroyed. It is a person. You are all free to disagree though. So feel free to carry on God Bless rt you are correct. the beast that takes over the world is the beast of Verse 17:3 that transitions into the 7th beast that is Francis the false prophet that transitions into (in my opinion) the president of Russia. These two men move to take over the world as the beast that is the president of Russia, and his cheerleader Francis. However, this beast lasts for only 3.5 years and then is put down, freeing the world. Once freed, the regional powers make their move and there are regional wars throughout the earth. It is here that the temple is built (Rev. 11) and the Muslims make their move as is depicted in schooldad3's analysis. That is, unless the Muslims can make a move on the world scene, then their effort is regional. Schooldad 3 has pretty much proven that Daniel is speaking to the Islamic effort; however, it is as I said, regional. Since the beast that moves upon the world can not be Islam, (because China and other nations will not convert to Islam), then the world beast is Russia the bear (Dan. 7:5) and the false prophet Francis (proved by the 266 of the Catholic church government, 666-400=266). Thus, the prophecies in Daniel and Revelation have a dual application; first to the world beast and his false prophet, and secondly to the regional beast and his false prophet. That is, Islam can not move from under the western world thumb until the west is defeated by Russia and Francis. Then, when Russia and Francis are put down at the 3.5 year mark, Islam will mass its forces against Israel. Again, I can not see Islam on the world stage against the U. S. secular government. It must be Russia and Francis. I am not sure I would agree with your speculation. The Bear of Daniel's prophecy was Medo-Persia. Which would have been located where modern Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria are- not Russia. Though I know many people who study prophecy believe that Russia is the bear. The beast of Revelation 13 seems to indicate that all of Daniel's beast nations play a role. The body of a leopard- Greece, The mouth of a Lion- Babylon, The teeth of Iron- Rome, and the feet of the bear- Medo Perisa. It is a union of these nations. Maybe something like this: ufmsecretariat.org/who-we-are/member-states/, which would also fit Nebuchadnezzar's dream about the colossus. The final kingdom of the legs of iron ending in the ten toes. A revived roman empire? Made up of five eastern nations (the eastern leg of the Roman empire) and five western nations (the western leg of the Roman empire). I would agree that Islam playing a major role in prophetic fulfillment is unlikely. IMO I believe that the New Age paradigm is a much better fit. Their teachers say that a messiah figure will emerge who will fulfill all faiths who await a savior, including Islam. If Islam plays a role it will be one that is much subdued. Perhaps something akin to what the Alliance of Civilizations has been working on for years www.unaoc.org/who-we-are/. read some of the older foundational speeches and it sounds a lot like what the New Ager's are working toward achieving. Though this is all speculation on my part and I would never suggest that it has to be that way. Only God knows for certain. We speculate based on what we know about the world today. But these events may not happen for hundreds of years and the world will likely look very different then.
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Post by boraddict on Nov 7, 2018 23:16:05 GMT -6
I just noticed this statement on a news report. "U.S. oil production jumped to 11.6 million barrels a day last week, a fact that will not be lost on OPEC and its partner Russia when they meet over the weekend." www.cnbc.com/2018/11/07/us-pumps-more-oil-than-russia-and-saudi-arabia-opec-could-strike-back.htmlI did not know that Russia and OPEC were partners. This fits in with schooldad3's analysis that the ten horns are out of the Islamic nations and with my and others conclusion that Russia is the beast. Schooldad3 has also concluded that the 3 nations pulled up by their roots are: Libya, Syria, and Iraq, and that Turkey has played a role in all three of these nation's governments being destroyed. Isaiah Chapter 18 seems to show Russia, not Turkey, taking down Babylon. Thus, the fall of Syria in Chapter 17 leads to Russia taking out Babylon on the world stage in Chapter 18. What does Babylon have to do with oil? If Turkey is the beast as schooldad3 seems to indicate, then it must use Russia to maneuver on the world stage. Thus, in the background Turkey is calling the shots as it has done in taking down the three Islamic nations. I can not see it being done without Russia.
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Post by venge on Nov 12, 2018 17:41:31 GMT -6
Hi boraddict , You quoted my post in yours, to be clear are you saying that you disagree? you seem to say that you agree that the 7th beast is a nation and not a person agreeing with the man in the video? Is that correct? You claim that the angel doesn't expound on the seventh beast yet that is not entirely the case: Clearly the "beast" is a king, a person a "he". "He" is one of the seven kings who goes to destruction. By deduction we know that he is in fact the seventh king because the passage says that there are seven, and six are accounted for. The only "king" remaining is the one yet to come, who remains for a short time. It is simple logic. Verse 10 refers back to verse 8. The beast was and is not, He existed and now doesn't exist, but will come up out of the abyss. How can a nation come up out of the abyss? The abyss being the bottomless pit. It is clear that the beast is allegorical, like the woman is. The beast may in fact represent a city or a nation, but it is the king of that nation who is in view. I believe the seven heads are seven kings which represent seven nations that they headed or will head. We see a similar description of the beast in Revelation 13. There is a consistent theme here- one of the heads is slain/fatally wounded (dead) and then is healed and brought back to life. This causes the people of earth to be amazed and worship him- a person not a nation. In chapter 13 he is described as the mouth of the fatally wounded head. Remember this is a word picture, and allegorical means to describe something that is real. Personally I think what the beast is, is a conglomerate of Daniel's beasts. The image of Revelation 13 is described using the same allegorical components as Daniel's beasts representing the kings of various nations. 1.The Lion- Babylon 2. The Bear- Medo-Persia, 3,4,5,6. The four leopard heads of the Grecian empire, and number 7. The final kingdom with the head of a Lion- Babylon with the teeth of Iron -Rome. Each one of the first 6 had a particular King and leaders that played a significant role in Biblical history, and that would lead to the final gentile nation that would rule over Jerusalem in particular. The Beast of Revelation 13 and 17 is I believe a combination of Daniel's beasts. So yes nations are implicated, but ultimately it is the ruler of the nation that is ultimately responsible for the actions of it. In Daniel 7, an angel interprets Daniel's vision of the four beasts The final beast would correlate with the beasts described in Revelation: Interestingly the angel describes the fourth beast as a final kingdom, but we also know that he has said above that it is also a final king. We know that one of the horns of this beast rises up to be the mouthpiece of that nation. It is he that is in view. So while the "beasts" may indeed represent kingdoms/ nations. The one in prophetic view is the king or leader of that country. Just getting into this thread. To add to your point RT: Daniel supports 4 beasts rise out of the sea. Daniel also states 4 beast rise out of the earth. 3 beasts of the sea and 3 beasts of the earth are slain. Leaving 1 beast of the sea and 1 beast of the earth. One beast is a kingdom One beast is the kingdoms ruler Can you guess which
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Post by rondonmonson on Nov 12, 2018 18:36:36 GMT -6
Hi boraddict , You quoted my post in yours, to be clear are you saying that you disagree? you seem to say that you agree that the 7th beast is a nation and not a person agreeing with the man in the video? Is that correct? You claim that the angel doesn't expound on the seventh beast yet that is not entirely the case: Clearly the "beast" is a king, a person a "he". "He" is one of the seven kings who goes to destruction. By deduction we know that he is in fact the seventh king because the passage says that there are seven, and six are accounted for. The only "king" remaining is the one yet to come, who remains for a short time. It is simple logic. Verse 10 refers back to verse 8. The beast was and is not, He existed and now doesn't exist, but will come up out of the abyss. How can a nation come up out of the abyss? The abyss being the bottomless pit. It is clear that the beast is allegorical, like the woman is. The beast may in fact represent a city or a nation, but it is the king of that nation who is in view. I believe the seven heads are seven kings which represent seven nations that they headed or will head. We see a similar description of the beast in Revelation 13. There is a consistent theme here- one of the heads is slain/fatally wounded (dead) and then is healed and brought back to life. This causes the people of earth to be amazed and worship him- a person not a nation. In chapter 13 he is described as the mouth of the fatally wounded head. Remember this is a word picture, and allegorical means to describe something that is real. Personally I think what the beast is, is a conglomerate of Daniel's beasts. The image of Revelation 13 is described using the same allegorical components as Daniel's beasts representing the kings of various nations. 1.The Lion- Babylon 2. The Bear- Medo-Persia, 3,4,5,6. The four leopard heads of the Grecian empire, and number 7. The final kingdom with the head of a Lion- Babylon with the teeth of Iron -Rome. Each one of the first 6 had a particular King and leaders that played a significant role in Biblical history, and that would lead to the final gentile nation that would rule over Jerusalem in particular. The Beast of Revelation 13 and 17 is I believe a combination of Daniel's beasts. So yes nations are implicated, but ultimately it is the ruler of the nation that is ultimately responsible for the actions of it. In Daniel 7, an angel interprets Daniel's vision of the four beasts The final beast would correlate with the beasts described in Revelation: Interestingly the angel describes the fourth beast as a final kingdom, but we also know that he has said above that it is also a final king. We know that one of the horns of this beast rises up to be the mouthpiece of that nation. It is he that is in view. So while the "beasts" may indeed represent kingdoms/ nations. The one in prophetic view is the king or leader of that country. I think boraddict has some great points, the vision is only verses 3-6 (I think she said 1-6) but so do you. But I think you miss one step, the 7th Beast is a man, not a nation as you say, but the Beast that arises out of the Abyss is not the 7th Beast, he is of the 7 but is an 8th. This is tricky brother, I have been into prophecy for 30 some odd years and I just got this about a year ago, so I think God has started revealing these end time secrets unto us. The key is in THE CROWNS or NON CROWNS here. Let's look at all three of the Rev. Beasts, they each designate something in particular as per each passage. 1.) The Rev. 12 Red Dragon Beast is Satan, there are 7 CROWNS because he is over all kingdoms of earth, just like he told Jesus in Luke 4. Thus the crowns are in the Heads. 2.) The Rev. 13 Beast that arises from the Sea is the Little Horn/Anti-Christ, thus his 10 CROWNS are on the Horns who give their power unto this MAN. He is the coming Anti-Christ. 3.) The Rev. 17 Beast designates the Scarlet Colored Beast (Apollyon) hence there are NO CROWNS, but he was placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region long ago, thus he was OF THE SEVEN, but was an 8th King of sorts, though he is not physical, thus he can't have earthly crowns, and as a Spiritual Entity he can never be over Satan, thus he can have NO Crowns in the Spiritual realm. As Paul states in Ephesians 6:12.......For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. .....THUS I see Apollyon as a Spiritual Power (Principality) placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region by Satan, he is of the 7 but is an 8th. He was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia thus he was then known as "The Prince of Persia" in Dan. chapter 10 who withstood Michael for 21 days, in other words Apollyon did not want Alexander the Great to Conquer Persia, but God/Michael had different ideas, maybe that is why Alexander the Great Conquered everything so fast, God was fighting on his side !! YIKES !! Anyway, he was also over Greece and Rome, when the Church delivered the Mortal Wound (the gates of hell can't prevail against the Church) Apollyon was placed in the bottomless pit thus........ HE WAS.........IS NOT..........YET IS and will come up out of the bottomless pit (see Rev. 9, Apollyon and his hordes of demons are released at the 2nd Woe). This used to confuse me and befuddle me to no end for almost 30 years. God chooses to reveal all things in His own time, He is perfect, Amen. You are 100 percent correct, the 7th King is a MAN/Person. You are also spot on, the Beast is a conglomerate as per the 7 Headed Beast, it signifies all of the Beasts over the Mediterranean Sea Region down through the ages. The CROWNS designate who is being spoken of in each instance, the Red Dragon (Satan) chases the Woman (Israel) into the Wilderness in Rev. 12. The Beast that is REVIVED in Rev. 13, thus arises again out of the Sea after being dormant for nigh 2000 years because of the Church. In other words the Church is Raptured, the Beast Arises again, and thus he Conquers Jerusalem and THE MANY [NATIONS] in the Region to again become a BEAST. Thus the Mortal Wound was delivered by the Church, and when the Beast Conquers the Mediterranean Sea Region again the Mortal Wound is Healed as per the figurative Beast with Seven Heads. But it is a ONE MAN SHOW. The reason we are given the whole Seven Mountains are Seven Kings is because God wants us to know something about this Last Beast, he will have no successors like all the others, he will rule but a short time (42 Months) and whereas the others had Kings that started the Beast Kingdoms and Kings that fell or lost dominion, this LAST BEAST will both start the Beast Kingdom and die as its Last King that falls, and thus will be cast straight into hell just as Dan. 7:11 says and just as Rev. 19:20 says. Dan. 11:7 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Exact same event, the BEAST is a MAN with a BODY who is cast into HELL....Amen. We win, glory to God !!
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Post by venge on Nov 22, 2018 10:59:33 GMT -6
Hi boraddict , You quoted my post in yours, to be clear are you saying that you disagree? you seem to say that you agree that the 7th beast is a nation and not a person agreeing with the man in the video? Is that correct? You claim that the angel doesn't expound on the seventh beast yet that is not entirely the case: Clearly the "beast" is a king, a person a "he". "He" is one of the seven kings who goes to destruction. By deduction we know that he is in fact the seventh king because the passage says that there are seven, and six are accounted for. The only "king" remaining is the one yet to come, who remains for a short time. It is simple logic. Verse 10 refers back to verse 8. The beast was and is not, He existed and now doesn't exist, but will come up out of the abyss. How can a nation come up out of the abyss? The abyss being the bottomless pit. It is clear that the beast is allegorical, like the woman is. The beast may in fact represent a city or a nation, but it is the king of that nation who is in view. I believe the seven heads are seven kings which represent seven nations that they headed or will head. We see a similar description of the beast in Revelation 13. There is a consistent theme here- one of the heads is slain/fatally wounded (dead) and then is healed and brought back to life. This causes the people of earth to be amazed and worship him- a person not a nation. In chapter 13 he is described as the mouth of the fatally wounded head. Remember this is a word picture, and allegorical means to describe something that is real. Personally I think what the beast is, is a conglomerate of Daniel's beasts. The image of Revelation 13 is described using the same allegorical components as Daniel's beasts representing the kings of various nations. 1.The Lion- Babylon 2. The Bear- Medo-Persia, 3,4,5,6. The four leopard heads of the Grecian empire, and number 7. The final kingdom with the head of a Lion- Babylon with the teeth of Iron -Rome. Each one of the first 6 had a particular King and leaders that played a significant role in Biblical history, and that would lead to the final gentile nation that would rule over Jerusalem in particular. The Beast of Revelation 13 and 17 is I believe a combination of Daniel's beasts. So yes nations are implicated, but ultimately it is the ruler of the nation that is ultimately responsible for the actions of it. In Daniel 7, an angel interprets Daniel's vision of the four beasts The final beast would correlate with the beasts described in Revelation: Interestingly the angel describes the fourth beast as a final kingdom, but we also know that he has said above that it is also a final king. We know that one of the horns of this beast rises up to be the mouthpiece of that nation. It is he that is in view. So while the "beasts" may indeed represent kingdoms/ nations. The one in prophetic view is the king or leader of that country. I think boraddict has some great points, the vision is only verses 3-6 (I think she said 1-6) but so do you. But I think you miss one step, the 7th Beast is a man, not a nation as you say, but the Beast that arises out of the Abyss is not the 7th Beast, he is of the 7 but is an 8th. This is tricky brother, I have been into prophecy for 30 some odd years and I just got this about a year ago, so I think God has started revealing these end time secrets unto us. The key is in THE CROWNS or NON CROWNS here. Let's look at all three of the Rev. Beasts, they each designate something in particular as per each passage. 1.) The Rev. 12 Red Dragon Beast is Satan, there are 7 CROWNS because he is over all kingdoms of earth, just like he told Jesus in Luke 4. Thus the crowns are in the Heads. 2.) The Rev. 12 Beast that arises from the Sea is the Little Horn/Anti-Christ, thus his 10 CROWNS are on the Horns who give their power unto this MAN. He is the coming Anti-Christ. 3.) The Rev. 17 Beast designates the Scarlet Colored Beast (Apollyon) hence there are NO CROWNS, but he was placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region long ago, thus he was OF THE SEVEN, but was an 8th King of sorts, though he is not physical, thus he can't have earthly crowns, and as a Spiritual Entity he can never be over Satan, thus he can have NO Crowns in the Spiritual realm. As Paul states in Ephesians 6:12.......For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. .....THUS I see Apollyon as a Spiritual Power (Principality) placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region by Satan, he is of the 7 but is an 8th. He was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia thus he was then known as "The Prince of Persia" in Dan. chapter 10 who withstood Michael for 21 days, in other words Apollyon did not want Alexander the Great to Conquer Persia, but God/Michael had different ideas, maybe that is why Alexander the Great Conquered everything so fast, God was fighting on his side !! YIKES !! Anyway, he was also over Greece and Rome, when the Church delivered the Mortal Wound (the gates of hell can't prevail against the Church) Apollyon was placed in the bottomless pit thus........ HE WAS.........IS NOT..........YET IS and will come up out of the bottomless pit (see Rev. 9, Apollyon and his hordes of demons are released at the 2nd Woe). This used to confuse me and befuddle me to no end for almost 30 years. God chooses to reveal all things in His own time, He is perfect, Amen. You are 100 percent correct, the 7th King is a MAN/Person. You are also spot on, the Beast is a conglomerate as per the 7 Headed Beast, it signifies all of the Beasts over the Mediterranean Sea Region down through the ages. The CROWNS designate who is being spoken of in each instance, the Red Dragon (Satan) chases the Woman (Israel) into the Wilderness in Rev. 12. The Beast that is REVIVED in Rev. 13, thus arises again out of the Sea after being dormant for nigh 2000 years because of the Church. In other words the Church is Raptured, the Beast Arises again, and thus he Conquers Jerusalem and THE MANY [NATIONS] in the Region to again become a BEAST. Thus the Mortal Wound was delivered by the Church, and when the Beast Conquers the Mediterranean Sea Region again the Mortal Wound is Healed as per the figurative Beast with Seven Heads. But it is a ONE MAN SHOW. The reason we are given the whole Seven Mountains are Seven Kings is because God wants us to know something about this Last Beast, he will have no successors like all the others, he will rule but a short time (42 Months) and whereas the others had Kings that started the Beast Kingdoms and Kings that fell or lost dominion, this LAST BEAST will both start the Beast Kingdom and die as its Last King that falls, and thus will be cast straight into hell just as Dan. 7:11 says and just as Rev. 19:20 says. Dan. 11:7 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Exact same event, the BEAST is a MAN with a BODY who is cast into HELL....Amen. We win, glory to God !! You stated: If you read all my writings, every beast of the sea is a kingdom and has 1 king which comes from the earth. So the 7th beast is a kingdom and had 1 king. I had also stated that after the 7th kingdom and its king is removed, there are no more kingdoms till Israel can come back. Then the 8th kingdom of the sea will emerge with its king of the earth. The 8th kingdom is of the 7 previous ones. It doesn't say Abaddon will come out of the bottomless pit, it stated he holds the key to it. 2 things come out of the bottomless pit. The locusts (armies of the beast) and the beast of the sea (last kingdom). Interestingly, the NIV describes the capture of the beast of the sea(the last kingdom) and the false prophet (the beast of the earth) as such below: The beast of the sea is described as an IT, not a man. In the KVJ it is described as HIM. From the interlinear, The Beast of the sea, though in masculine form, is never identified as a person. But the false prophet is. The beast of the sea even shows characteristics of nails of brass, teeth like a lion, legs of iron, etc....things not related to men. Daniel shows 4 beast arise out of the sea that are 4 kingdoms. In such, the beast is an "it" as "Autos" shows and the NIV shows correctly.
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Post by rondonmonson on Nov 23, 2018 11:38:32 GMT -6
I think boraddict has some great points, the vision is only verses 3-6 (I think she said 1-6) but so do you. But I think you miss one step, the 7th Beast is a man, not a nation as you say, but the Beast that arises out of the Abyss is not the 7th Beast, he is of the 7 but is an 8th. This is tricky brother, I have been into prophecy for 30 some odd years and I just got this about a year ago, so I think God has started revealing these end time secrets unto us. The key is in THE CROWNS or NON CROWNS here. Let's look at all three of the Rev. Beasts, they each designate something in particular as per each passage. 1.) The Rev. 12 Red Dragon Beast is Satan, there are 7 CROWNS because he is over all kingdoms of earth, just like he told Jesus in Luke 4. Thus the crowns are in the Heads. 2.) The Rev. 12 Beast that arises from the Sea is the Little Horn/Anti-Christ, thus his 10 CROWNS are on the Horns who give their power unto this MAN. He is the coming Anti-Christ. 3.) The Rev. 17 Beast designates the Scarlet Colored Beast (Apollyon) hence there are NO CROWNS, but he was placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region long ago, thus he was OF THE SEVEN, but was an 8th King of sorts, though he is not physical, thus he can't have earthly crowns, and as a Spiritual Entity he can never be over Satan, thus he can have NO Crowns in the Spiritual realm. As Paul states in Ephesians 6:12.......For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. .....THUS I see Apollyon as a Spiritual Power (Principality) placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region by Satan, he is of the 7 but is an 8th. He was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia thus he was then known as "The Prince of Persia" in Dan. chapter 10 who withstood Michael for 21 days, in other words Apollyon did not want Alexander the Great to Conquer Persia, but God/Michael had different ideas, maybe that is why Alexander the Great Conquered everything so fast, God was fighting on his side !! YIKES !! Anyway, he was also over Greece and Rome, when the Church delivered the Mortal Wound (the gates of hell can't prevail against the Church) Apollyon was placed in the bottomless pit thus........ HE WAS.........IS NOT..........YET IS and will come up out of the bottomless pit (see Rev. 9, Apollyon and his hordes of demons are released at the 2nd Woe). This used to confuse me and befuddle me to no end for almost 30 years. God chooses to reveal all things in His own time, He is perfect, Amen. You are 100 percent correct, the 7th King is a MAN/Person. You are also spot on, the Beast is a conglomerate as per the 7 Headed Beast, it signifies all of the Beasts over the Mediterranean Sea Region down through the ages. The CROWNS designate who is being spoken of in each instance, the Red Dragon (Satan) chases the Woman (Israel) into the Wilderness in Rev. 12. The Beast that is REVIVED in Rev. 13, thus arises again out of the Sea after being dormant for nigh 2000 years because of the Church. In other words the Church is Raptured, the Beast Arises again, and thus he Conquers Jerusalem and THE MANY [NATIONS] in the Region to again become a BEAST. Thus the Mortal Wound was delivered by the Church, and when the Beast Conquers the Mediterranean Sea Region again the Mortal Wound is Healed as per the figurative Beast with Seven Heads. But it is a ONE MAN SHOW. The reason we are given the whole Seven Mountains are Seven Kings is because God wants us to know something about this Last Beast, he will have no successors like all the others, he will rule but a short time (42 Months) and whereas the others had Kings that started the Beast Kingdoms and Kings that fell or lost dominion, this LAST BEAST will both start the Beast Kingdom and die as its Last King that falls, and thus will be cast straight into hell just as Dan. 7:11 says and just as Rev. 19:20 says. Dan. 11:7 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Exact same event, the BEAST is a MAN with a BODY who is cast into HELL....Amen. We win, glory to God !! You stated: If you read all my writings, every beast of the sea is a kingdom and has 1 king which comes from the earth. So the 7th beast is a kingdom and had 1 king. I had also stated that after the 7th kingdom and its king is removed, there are no more kingdoms till Israel can come back. Then the 8th kingdom of the sea will emerge with its king of the earth. The 8th kingdom is of the 7 previous ones. It doesn't say Abaddon will come out of the bottomless pit, it stated he holds the key to it. 2 things come out of the bottomless pit. The locusts (armies of the beast) and the beast of the sea (last kingdom). Interestingly, the NIV describes the capture of the beast of the sea(the last kingdom) and the false prophet (the beast of the earth) as such below: The beast of the sea is described as an IT, not a man. In the KVJ it is described as HIM. From the interlinear, The Beast of the sea, though in masculine form, is never identified as a person. But the false prophet is. The beast of the sea even shows characteristics of nails of brass, teeth like a lion, legs of iron, etc....things not related to men. Daniel shows 4 beast arise out of the sea that are 4 kingdoms. In such, the beast is an "it" as "Autos" shows and the NIV shows correctly. Yes sir, I have read a lot of your posts and agree with many. In this instance I agree there are 7 Kingdoms, I don't get the 7 Kings have come out of the earth part, I see the passage as saying there are 7 Kings and 5 have fallen, one is and one is yet to come. This is all about "FALLEN KINGS" that lose dominion, not the kings that arose like Nebuchadnezzar or Alexander the Great. These are the kings who were in power when the Beast lost dominion. The whole purpose of God telling the angel to tell us in this manner is for us to understand he "last beast" of course and who/what he will be. As noted all the other kings that lost power did not bring their Beast kingdoms into existence. The BEAST will be the only one of the Beasts who both makes his country into a Beast of oppression by Conquering Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region, but he unlike the others will be killed and cast straight into hell, thus the other Beasts were Kingdoms that passed from king to king, but this last Beast is A MAN who never passes his kingdom on, that is why God "reduces" as in 10/20, 5/10 to 1/2, the KIngdoms to "Kings who have fallen". Sorry if that seemed a little long but there is no way to explain the 8th King unless we can reveal who these 7 kings are and why God reveals them unto us in this manner. We know the last beast is a Man not a Kingdom because Dan. 7:11 says he has a body and will be cast into hell, Rev. 19:20 basically says the same thing. Nw as per why I think the Scarlet Beast is Apollyon. Rev. 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. These clues tell us that this entity that arises out of the Abyss can only be a demonic spirit that doesn't die an earthly type of death. A Beast is one that oppresses, thus a dominating animal is shown or its simply called a Beast. The Lion (Babylon), the Bear (Persia), the Leopard (Greece), the Fierce Beast with Iron Teeth (Rome) and of course the Beast (Man of Sin). Then we have the spiritual designations of demons, Satan (Red Dragon) and the Scarlet Beast (Apollyon). We see the Beast is in the bottomless pit. Men do not go to the pit and return, that just ain't happening in my opinion, it's appointed unto men once to die. He is the 8th and is OF THE SEVEN which means he had to be around for all 7 of the Kingdoms. He had to be placed in the pit by God, thus it happened at the time of the "Mortal Wound". God placed this entity in the pit for a reason, in Greek he is called the Destroyer. This all fits with the whole HE WAS........IS NOT.......YET IS, mystery in Rev. 17. I don't see why they would call the Angel (star falls) with the key a star on verse 1 then turn around and name him in verse 12. Notice none of the other Angels bringing plagues are named anywhere in the book of Revelation. I think Apollyon's job description was to destroy Israel, Satan assigned him that task but of course he ever quite pulled it off then he was placed in the pot for nigh 2000 years. Even if the Scarlet Beast was another demonic entity released from the pit, whose name we were unawares of, it wouldn't really make a difference, nut I do think it is Apollyon. But it can't be humans brother. As per the NIV i don't think I ever read it, I stick the the KJV or Holmon, but I use the Hebrew and Greek root words to study things in depth. I found long ago that changing from one to another to another to prove a point is a mistake in general. So if you use the NIV that is fine, I am sure its a good source, I just never have read it. The Beast will be killed then cast into hell and likewise the False Prophet will be killed also. I think he's a Jewish High Priest like unto Jason who was made the High Priest under Atniochus Epiphanes, who tried to Hellenize the Jews. As per the Beast of the Sea being an IT and not a Man. Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. He is the Little Horn, Daniel says his BODY will be destroyed. I should slow down and distinguish the "Beast from the Sea conglomerate" from the Beast that arises from the Sea. I am afraid I am not doing a good job in that effort. Rev. 13:And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
{{{ The Above describes both a conglomerate Beast with 7 Heads but also the LAST BEAST which is a man via where the Crowns are placed on the 10 Horns. That designates this Beast that is arising anew after being dormant for nigh 2000 years as being the European Little Horn whom the 10 Kings give their power unto willingly for 42 months. }}} 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (Greece), and his feet were as the feet of a bear, (Persia) and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: (Babylon) and the dragon(Satan) gave .....him(MAN-Beast/Little Horn) his..... power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death;(Rome) and his deadly wound was healed:(Anti-Christ HEALS the Wound by Conquering Jerusalem) and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. The above is both a conglomerate 7 Headed Beast and the LAST HEAD which is a man that 10 other Kings give their kingdoms over to, thus the Crowns on the 10 Horns in Rev. 13. Meanwhile in Rev. 12 the Crowns are on the 7 Heads. In Rev. 17 there are NO CROWNS for a reason, they are three different entities, all designated as such. Satan is over the whole world, the Anti-Christ is over the 10 Kings plus he Conquers the Mediterranean Sea Region and probably eventually leads a worldwide effort to battle God at Armageddon, but the chump loses. Amen. The whole reason we get the REDUCTION from 7 Kingdoms to 7 Kings that fall is so we understand the Last Beast is a man who never passes his kingdom on to another king, thus he is different from the rest of the beasts in that he will be at the helm when the last beast kingdom arises, and will be at the helm when the last beast kingdom falls, thus he himself is deemed the LAST BEAST. When I saw you say the Beast was a conglomerate I felt we were on the same page all except for the 8th King. But as for Revelation, you know there is much room for interpretation brother, by knocking these things back and forth with each other we are doing God's will by studying this great book, thus God will bless us indeed, Amen, God Bless.
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Post by venge on Nov 26, 2018 13:41:36 GMT -6
You stated: If you read all my writings, every beast of the sea is a kingdom and has 1 king which comes from the earth. So the 7th beast is a kingdom and had 1 king. I had also stated that after the 7th kingdom and its king is removed, there are no more kingdoms till Israel can come back. Then the 8th kingdom of the sea will emerge with its king of the earth. The 8th kingdom is of the 7 previous ones. It doesn't say Abaddon will come out of the bottomless pit, it stated he holds the key to it. 2 things come out of the bottomless pit. The locusts (armies of the beast) and the beast of the sea (last kingdom). Interestingly, the NIV describes the capture of the beast of the sea(the last kingdom) and the false prophet (the beast of the earth) as such below: The beast of the sea is described as an IT, not a man. In the KVJ it is described as HIM. From the interlinear, The Beast of the sea, though in masculine form, is never identified as a person. But the false prophet is. The beast of the sea even shows characteristics of nails of brass, teeth like a lion, legs of iron, etc....things not related to men. Daniel shows 4 beast arise out of the sea that are 4 kingdoms. In such, the beast is an "it" as "Autos" shows and the NIV shows correctly. Yes sir, I have read a lot of your posts and agree with many. In this instance I agree there are 7 Kingdoms, I don't get the 7 Kings have come out of the earth part, I see the passage as saying there are 7 Kings and 5 have fallen, one is and one is yet to come. This is all about "FALLEN KINGS" that lose dominion, not the kings that arose like Nebuchadnezzar or Alexander the Great. These are the kings who were in power when the Beast lost dominion. The whole purpose of God telling the angel to tell us in this manner is for us to understand he "last beast" of course and who/what he will be. As noted all the other kings that lost power did not bring their Beast kingdoms into existence. The BEAST will be the only one of the Beasts who both makes his country into a Beast of oppression by Conquering Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region, but he unlike the others will be killed and cast straight into hell, thus the other Beasts were Kingdoms that passed from king to king, but this last Beast is A MAN who never passes his kingdom on, that is why God "reduces" as in 10/20, 5/10 to 1/2, the KIngdoms to "Kings who have fallen". Sorry if that seemed a little long but there is no way to explain the 8th King unless we can reveal who these 7 kings are and why God reveals them unto us in this manner. We know the last beast is a Man not a Kingdom because Dan. 7:11 says he has a body and will be cast into hell, Rev. 19:20 basically says the same thing. Nw as per why I think the Scarlet Beast is Apollyon. Rev. 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. These clues tell us that this entity that arises out of the Abyss can only be a demonic spirit that doesn't die an earthly type of death. A Beast is one that oppresses, thus a dominating animal is shown or its simply called a Beast. The Lion (Babylon), the Bear (Persia), the Leopard (Greece), the Fierce Beast with Iron Teeth (Rome) and of course the Beast (Man of Sin). Then we have the spiritual designations of demons, Satan (Red Dragon) and the Scarlet Beast (Apollyon). We see the Beast is in the bottomless pit. Men do not go to the pit and return, that just ain't happening in my opinion, it's appointed unto men once to die. He is the 8th and is OF THE SEVEN which means he had to be around for all 7 of the Kingdoms. He had to be placed in the pit by God, thus it happened at the time of the "Mortal Wound". God placed this entity in the pit for a reason, in Greek he is called the Destroyer. This all fits with the whole HE WAS........IS NOT.......YET IS, mystery in Rev. 17. I don't see why they would call the Angel (star falls) with the key a star on verse 1 then turn around and name him in verse 12. Notice none of the other Angels bringing plagues are named anywhere in the book of Revelation. I think Apollyon's job description was to destroy Israel, Satan assigned him that task but of course he ever quite pulled it off then he was placed in the pot for nigh 2000 years. Even if the Scarlet Beast was another demonic entity released from the pit, whose name we were unawares of, it wouldn't really make a difference, nut I do think it is Apollyon. But it can't be humans brother. As per the NIV i don't think I ever read it, I stick the the KJV or Holmon, but I use the Hebrew and Greek root words to study things in depth. I found long ago that changing from one to another to another to prove a point is a mistake in general. So if you use the NIV that is fine, I am sure its a good source, I just never have read it. The Beast will be killed then cast into hell and likewise the False Prophet will be killed also. I think he's a Jewish High Priest like unto Jason who was made the High Priest under Atniochus Epiphanes, who tried to Hellenize the Jews. As per the Beast of the Sea being an IT and not a Man. Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. He is the Little Horn, Daniel says his BODY will be destroyed. I should slow down and distinguish the "Beast from the Sea conglomerate" from the Beast that arises from the Sea. I am afraid I am not doing a good job in that effort. Rev. 13:And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
{{{ The Above describes both a conglomerate Beast with 7 Heads but also the LAST BEAST which is a man via where the Crowns are placed on the 10 Horns. That designates this Beast that is arising anew after being dormant for nigh 2000 years as being the European Little Horn whom the 10 Kings give their power unto willingly for 42 months. }}} 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (Greece), and his feet were as the feet of a bear, (Persia) and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: (Babylon) and the dragon(Satan) gave .....him(MAN-Beast/Little Horn) his..... power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death;(Rome) and his deadly wound was healed:(Anti-Christ HEALS the Wound by Conquering Jerusalem) and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. The above is both a conglomerate 7 Headed Beast and the LAST HEAD which is a man that 10 other Kings give their kingdoms over to, thus the Crowns on the 10 Horns in Rev. 13. Meanwhile in Rev. 12 the Crowns are on the 7 Heads. In Rev. 17 there are NO CROWNS for a reason, they are three different entities, all designated as such. Satan is over the whole world, the Anti-Christ is over the 10 Kings plus he Conquers the Mediterranean Sea Region and probably eventually leads a worldwide effort to battle God at Armageddon, but the chump loses. Amen. The whole reason we get the REDUCTION from 7 Kingdoms to 7 Kings that fall is so we understand the Last Beast is a man who never passes his kingdom on to another king, thus he is different from the rest of the beasts in that he will be at the helm when the last beast kingdom arises, and will be at the helm when the last beast kingdom falls, thus he himself is deemed the LAST BEAST. When I saw you say the Beast was a conglomerate I felt we were on the same page all except for the 8th King. But as for Revelation, you know there is much room for interpretation brother, by knocking these things back and forth with each other we are doing God's will by studying this great book, thus God will bless us indeed, Amen, God Bless. Ok a few questions: You said: Men cannot be resurrected till the rapture and afterwards. You are saying a wicked man is resurrected? That is not biblical. Secondly, the beats in Ref. to Rev 17:8 is the beast of the sea. That beast in Dan 7:3 and Dan 7:23 are identified as a kingdom and not a man. That is the beats that rises again as kingdoms do that. The sea being peoples, nations and tongues etc...kingdoms rise out of nations. People rise out of the earth as does the false prophet. Then you had said that Dan 7:11 is is the little horns body being destroyed? Dan 7:11 is telling us that John heard the little horn speak terrible blasphemies. Then afterwards, he witnessed the beast slain. That beast,is the beast of the sea, not the beast of the earth because in verse 12 he proves it separating the last beast from the others: Then you stated: You had made emphasis in between the scripture. Let me repost Rev 13. One of the heads of the 7 headed beast. All heads are slain but one head reemerges as if it were slain. The 8th head that reemerges "WAS" when John was alive making it not Rome which "IS" when John was alive. If it WAS to John's time period, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit existed BEFORE John's time period. It cannot be Rome. The beast here is the final kingdom identified as the beast of the sea. Next it stated that people will worship the dragon (Satan) that gave power to this kingdom to return and the people even said who is like unto this kingdom or who would make war with it because this kingdom is as strong as Iron, militarily....but remember it is also weak as its people do not agree on things. Now look at verse 5-6: The last kingdom is given a mouth to blaspheme. The mouth blasphemes God and this mouth is aloud to do this for 42 months. He also blasphemes those in heaven. This mouth is the False prophet. Look at Daniel 7. Here is the mouth that comes up and speaks great things. Here is the mouth that blasphemes them that dwell in heaven (Rev 13:6) Again per Rev 13:6, we see in Daniel 7 that the 11th horn, the false prophet, blasphemes God and wears out the saints. The mouth given to the beast of the sea (the last kingdom) is the false prophet. He is the mouth piece to this kingdom that will bring ruin to all. In regards to the heads, each head was a kingdom. We know there are 4 kingdoms on Daniel's statue. We know the 6th head "IS" which was Rome. Rome coming out of the sea as a beast of the sea and its leader at the time of John (a Caesar) was the 6th king. We also know the horns are men. If horns are men on the beast, the heads are not men. The crowns on each head symbolize the sovereignty of each head (kingdom). Until the crown is taken away and they hold the name of blasphemy and the crowns are given to the horns. With that in mind, the 8th head is of the 7 because the 8th head encompassed the previous 7 by many ways. The 8th is a previous kingdom which existed before the 6th, and 7th. The 8th head has parts of it in land areas that previous heads controlled. The 8th head persecutes Jews and will control Israel as the previous 7 heads did as well. So of course, the 8th is of the 7. We know from the bible that parts of a few countries are involved. That doesn't mean the land they hold today or their capitol cities. But land once held by these nations will be part of this future kingdom.
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Post by rondonmonson on Nov 26, 2018 23:10:50 GMT -6
I think I have figured out a way to make this work by opening two windows, Copy and Pasting from one to the other.......... in a QUOTE.......... As per the men/man arising from the pit, I thought you were inferring that. I was saying the Beast that arises from the pit has to be a Demon, I think his name is Apollyon, GET THIS, I think he was the Prince of Persia when he resisted Michael for 21 days via the Alexander the Great defeat of Persia. (I guess he had to then become the Prince of Grecia). So....no, I don't think any man is resurrected, that is what I was asking you if you thought, because it sounded like that. Because is he's not a man (and can not be) he has to be a Demonic Spirit, a power in high places so to speak, a Principality as Paul called them, rulers of darkness etc. etc. As per the Beast of the Sea, none of them are actually from the Sea, they are shown to arise from the Sea because that is what unifies the Region. In other words of the seven world powers in the Region who have ruled over Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region (counting the coming Anti-Christ as #7 of course) all of them ruled over the area around the Mediterranean Sea starting with Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and then the coming Anti-Christ will do likewise, conquer the whole region. So that is why they all are said to come out of the Sea. As per the Rev. 17 Beasts, he's actually never said to come out of the Sea (one has to imply that is where he comes from to get here) but notice the Angel carried John into the Wilderness where he saw the Harlot woman sitting on the Scarlet Colored Beast.....so our back and forth has given me sme new insight, now I have to go check out the Location of the Rev. 12 Dragon. Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: WOW....WOW...WOW...I love it, seek and ye shall find, I never thought about doing this.......... Rev. 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. So Satan the Red Dragon is in Heaven, not the third Heaven where God resides, but he has access to Heaven, as we know until he's cast down. The Scarlet Colored Beast was seen via John being taken unto the Wilderness in a vision. And the Rev. 13 Beast arises from the Sea. I don't think it means much as per all the 7 Heads are still from and about the same place, but each ENTITY is shown as per where they are or will they be at in the end times. So each are shown in different locations. Never really though about that, I will have to ponder it some more. Dan. 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. { Notice they are all FOUR DIVERSE from one another here } I am going to show why there is really 5 Beasts in Daniel 7 but only four are mentioned. Its going to look odd, but give it a thought. I rarely post scriptures, so this is odd for me. Dan. 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and ANOTHER shall rise after them; and he shall be DIVERSE FROM THE FIRST, and he shall subdue three kings. 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Ok, verse thress say........DRUMROLL, all the Beasts are diverse/different from each other, that is a given. The in verse 23 we see the Fourth Beast is different from ALL THE Beasts, well of course, they are all different as per verse 3. But in verse 24 we get a clue that is shown to be true in Dan. 7:11, a MAN becomes the Last Beast. It shows that 10 Kings will arise, and ANOTHER (Little Horn) will arise also, AND CATCH THIS, he will be diverse from THE FIRST........not the others like verse 3 describes, but just THE FIRST......Which means the first Roman Beast. How so? Well he is just a MAN a one man show, he never passes his kingdom on, he arises as the Beast and is cast into hell as the Beast, UNLIKE all the other Beasts he is cast straight into hell. He is different from THE FIRST Roman Beast in that he is a MAN. Notice Daniel 7:25 matches Rev. 13 as per his characteristics. Speaks blasphemies, overcomes the Saints and rules for 1260 days. He's the Anti-Christ whereas the Beast from the earth is a Jewish High Priest. Both are cast into hell in Rev. 19:20. The OTHER BEASTS in verse 12 that are allowed to LIVE ON for a season and a time are the four Beasts that lost dominion as the passage says. In other words, this last Beast was DIFFERENT in that as a man he was judged and cast straight into hell, the other Beast lost dominion but lived on. Babylon was where Alexander the Great ruled and died from so Babylon lived on for a season. Persia is modern day Iran, Greece is still a nation unto this day, and Rome is basically a City State via Italy. They all lived on, with only Babylon not being around, because God said it would never be inhabited again. The Kings are subbed/reduced for Kingdoms and thus when 5 have fallen, ONE IS, and one is yet to come that has nothing to do with the 8th King brother who is a Demonic spirit, because he is OF THE SEVEN !! Thus he can only be a demonic entity. He was the Demon placed over the region by Satan. He is Apollyon, the Scarlet Colored Beast. As per the Kings, 5 had FALLEN and ROME WAS at the time John wrote the book of Revelation still a Beast Kingdom over the Mediterranean Sea Region of course, but Rome would eventually lose dominion. When Israel were carried off in the Diaspora there could be NO BEAST for 2000 years until Israel was again REBORN, because God saw them as Dead Men's Bones, thus there could be no Beast over them, they were not even recognized as living by God, and they sure weren't in the land, then God BREATHED on those bones again in 1948, and now, just like Ezekiel prophesied 2500 years ago, Israel is alive again, now and only now can the Beast arise again, once the Church, which can not be overcome by the gates of hell, is raptured to Heaven, the Beast can arise again, Conquer Jerusalem and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region, thus becoming the Beast. The 8th King...NOT HEAD....is of the 7. Notice none of the Beasts are shown with 8 heads, only 7. The Mortal Wound, IMHO, is Rome, the Church turns Rome from a Beast who slays the Jews and Christians to a "Conveyor Belt" for the Gospel of Jesus Christ. When the Church is gone, the Beast will arise and the wound will thus be healed. The 8th King........WAS................. IS NOT................YET IS. Basically God had locked Apollyon in the pit by the time John wrote the book of Revelation, even though Rome ws still the Fourth Beast, Apollyon was locked up, thus Rome eventually lost its Dominion, and became a central hub for the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and since all roads lead to Rome and the Koine Greek united the region like English does many places today, it was PERFECT for spreading the Gospel via the Pax-Roman. I look at the worshiping of Satan in a different light. I think it means the world is like unto the IMAGE OF Satan......even now today, look at this evil world, they adore evil (Satan and his ways) ev though many do not believe in God or demons, but their HEARTS are like unto Satan via looking at this evil world which has had 1 billion abortions, etc. We are the light of Jesus, this world is the express image of Satan, lust, greed, hate, murder etc. etc. So I think that is what it means when it says the Worship Satan, I think they LOVE EVIL and hate God, whilst believing in neither. John is shown their hearts desires so to speak. This is just a feeling here, I see most as Atheists. As per the the WEAK (Clay) and Partly strong (IRON), I see that as the Kingdom being partly weak at the BASE because the Statue was built on CLAY (Demonic Leadership of Satan) instead of on THAT ROCK Jesus Amen !! The Rock vit out of the Mountain will smash that kingdom in the FEET AREA !! The Man that Blasphemes would have to be the Beast, because the False Prophet is never mentioned in Daniel. It's the Little Horn of Daniel 7 and 8. Yes, the Little Horn is correct. Notice there are only 10 Horns in Rev. 13, thus the 7th Head is the Little Horn. I agree, but it's the Little Horn right brother ? I see the Beast from the earth is the False Prophet, he's a Jew. He replaces the Harlot who is KILLED OFF (Rev. 17:16) thus he's the RELIGIOUS BEAST whereas the Little Horn is the Government Beast like the OTHER SEVEN were. The 10 horns are basically the European Union of today, the Anti-Christ has to be born in Greece because of Daniel chapters 7 and 8. Getting a little sleepy. Good questions and thoughts brother.
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