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Post by Natalie on Jan 21, 2020 15:58:31 GMT -6
Just wondering if this will be what shows that Israel is dwelling safely? One final "peace and security" declaration? Definitely watching.
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Post by Gary on Jan 22, 2020 9:40:56 GMT -6
Yes, I can't think of a much more fitting fulfillment of "peace and safety" than the peace plan itself being revealed.
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Post by Natalie on Jan 23, 2020 10:49:22 GMT -6
Both Netanyahu and Gantz are invited to the White House next Tuesday (the 28th) for Peace Plan discussion. "At the same time, it was announced that the White House plans to publish a statement on the Middle East Peace Program in the coming days."
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Post by disciple4life on Jan 24, 2020 19:26:38 GMT -6
Hello Natalie, Gary and other watchmen, Natalie , Gary , I saw the link on the shoutbox from Jerusalam Journal about the leak that the peace plan could be revealed next week. I'm skeptical of several things 1 -- I would be very surprised if it's revealed in the next three weeks- (say, before the end of February) . We've heard this so so many times before. 2 -- I'm predicting that there will be no land given to the Leprechauns, or their other mythical counterparts - the so-called Palestinians. Why?? Three huge reasons come to mind. 1. Trump absolutely needs the evangelical vote to get re-elected and he knows that. If he were to give land to make a Jordanian state, the evangelicals would abandon him by the thousands because we are the best friends that Israel has. 2. All Trump's sons married Jewish women, and Ivanka converted to Judaism, and so all Trumps grandchildren are Jewish. 3. Kushner is a very rich and powerful Jew and he was one of the authors of the plan , and the Jordanian Arabs who want the West Bank are calling for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people. The Jews would only give up land to create a state for the Jordanian Arabs under 1 condition. There would have to be something so incredible, that it would truly be the deal of the Millennium -- What is that? What would the Jews want so badly, that they would be willing to give up more of their tiny country and give statehood to a fictitious group of people? a Third Temple. We won't see this in the so-called deal of the century. I really really would like to hear your [Natalie] and Gary's insight on what the implications would be prophetically if this deal of the century did grant a "Leprechaun state" and give them the Gaza Strip or the Golan Heights. What does that mean for us, and how does that tie into end times ?? or what is the connection between dividing the land, and the tribulation. Cordially, Disciple4life.
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Post by disciple4life on Jan 24, 2020 20:00:59 GMT -6
Both Netanyahu and Gantz are invited to the White House next Tuesday (the 28th) for Peace Plan discussion. "At the same time, it was announced that the White House plans to publish a statement on the Middle East Peace Program in the coming days."
Two other sources also confirm that Trump has announced that he will reveal the Deal of the Century on Tuesday, when Benjamin Netanyahu will be in DC. thehill.com/homenews/administration/479656-trump-says-he-expects-to-release-middle-east-peace-plan-by-Tuesday
The leftist, anti-Israel, pro-terrorist site Al Jazeera also confirmed the same story.
Could be very interesting, or a ginormous nothing burger.
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Post by Natalie on Jan 24, 2020 20:03:36 GMT -6
disciple4life, I have heard several things, and I am just waiting to see. I've heard that they (those poor misunderstood Leprechauns. ) would get land from Jordan. Not sure if that's believable. I've heard that as long as Trump is in charge there won't be an agreement from that side. But the deal would have to have something for each of them. What do each of them want? I wouldn't think they would get the Golan Heights. That wouldn't be a smart move. It wouldn't be a smart move to cut out part of present day Israel (like you mentioned - the evangelical vote). I am dealing with a stuffy nose and sinus pressure so I feel like my post is a bit rambly.
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Post by disciple4life on Jan 24, 2020 20:12:23 GMT -6
disciple4life , I have heard several things, and I am just waiting to see. I've heard that they (those poor misunderstood Leprechauns. ) would get land from Jordan. Not sure if that's believable. I've heard that as long as Trump is in charge there won't be an agreement from that side. But the deal would have to have something for each of them. What do each of them want? I wouldn't think they would get the Golan Heights. That wouldn't be a smart move. It wouldn't be a smart move to cut out part of present day Israel (like you mentioned - the evangelical vote). I am dealing with a stuffy nose and sinus pressure so I feel like my post is a bit rambly. Thanks, Natalie, I've also read the same thing, that there is a huge cash incentive for Jordan, [see the irony here] to take in thousands of Jordanian Arabs, - yeah, you read that right - they speak Jordanian, they are Jordanian ethnically, and they have Jordanian passports, [Since there is no Palestinian passports, and Narnia hasn't been able to get their passport hologram uploaded.
The other irony is that Jordan doesn't want tens and thousands of it's own citizens who live and fight in the West Bank.
No matter the deal, - the Leprechauns - though they are fictitious - have literally already denounced the deal - despite the fact that they haven't even seen what it includes. Anyone surprised?
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Post by yardstick on Jan 24, 2020 22:03:08 GMT -6
Both Netanyahu and Gantz are invited to the White House next Tuesday (the 28th) for Peace Plan discussion. "At the same time, it was announced that the White House plans to publish a statement on the Middle East Peace Program in the coming days."
Two other sources also confirm that Trump has announced that he will reveal the Deal of the Century on Tuesday, when Benjamin Netanyahu will be in DC. thehill.com/homenews/administration/479656-trump-says-he-expects-to-release-middle-east-peace-plan-by-Tuesday
The leftist, anti-Israel, pro-terrorist site Al Jazeera also confirmed the same story.
Could be very interesting, or a ginormous nothing burger.
I have heard those are a low-calorie alternative.
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Post by sog on Jan 25, 2020 14:51:24 GMT -6
For me it's not so much what's in the peace plan, other than more clues to the prophetic time-table, rather it's the confirmation of it that's important and why it would be confirmed.
Daniel 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."
It's the confirmation that starts off the week. However, what would cause one to confirm a plan that most Arabs don't want now and probably wouldn't agree to, but would if the right conditions are met? War perhaps. A war that causes much destruction on them? Damascus of Isaiah 17 destroyed? An Ezekiel 38 war that we are on the precipice of?
and then Ezekiel 39:9-10 9 “Then those who inhabit the cities of Israel will go out and make fires with the weapons and burn them, both shields and bucklers, bows and arrows, war clubs and spears, and for seven years they will make fires of them. 10 They will not take wood from the field or gather firewood from the forests, for they will make fires with the weapons; and they will take the spoil of those who despoiled them and seize the plunder of those who plundered them,” declares the Lord God.
So for 7 years (The start of the 7 year trib and peace declared?) they will make fires to cleanse the land of people and arms. I'd think this would happen during a time of peace to allow this.
Then in Ezekiel 39:12-16 it says more on the land being cleansed. Even those who are passing through are dying. From Nuclear radiation exposure?
12For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them in order to cleanse the land. 13 Even all the people of the land will bury them; and it will be to their renown on the day that I glorify Myself,” declares the Lord God. 14 “They will set apart men who will constantly pass through the land, burying those who were passing through, even those left on the surface of the ground, in order to cleanse it. At the end of seven months they will make a search. 15 As those who pass through the land pass through and anyone sees a man’s bone, then he will set up a marker by it until the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamon-gog. 16 And even the name of the city will be Hamonah. So they will cleanse the land.”
Also looking at this - 1 Thessalonians 5:3 While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape.
It doesn't say after "Peace and Safety" was said or plan revealed, it says While they are saying. As in some point in the midst of saying this. Could be any point up to and including the confirmation. So, IMHO, a war, and one that would horrify the world and weaken the Arab nations to such a point that it would necessitate the people clamoring for "Peace and safety!" will be the key to a pre-trib rapture.
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Post by disciple4life on Jan 25, 2020 18:40:59 GMT -6
sog , Hello Sog,
So my brother, can you give me your take on how the plan would/could affect us?
Scenario one- I totally can get the cause and effect relationship. Hypothetically, if the plan included declaring Leprechauns a nation and people - and in exchange for this, the Jews are allowed to build the 3rd temple somewhere on or near the temple mount ... then that would be the Deal of the Century. - Not gonna happen. The Jews have to get something great. - the Temple, and they have to give something priceless - a section of their already tiny land for the people who hate them, already living on said land.
If the plan includes the right to build a temple, then we are seeing the fuse lit, or the first domino to set the whole chain in motion. For us as Christians, it's the water breaking of the woman in labor.
The Leprechauns have already rejected the plan, - despite the fact that it hasn't been released yet. Thus proving, that this was never about peace, or having land [Don't forget, they have a ginormous country right beside Israel - It's called Jordan. ;-)
There is a whole series of children's books, and the first one is "If you Give a Mouse a Cookie" then it explains all the things that the mouse will want to go with the cookie. The cookie is never enough. Then he needs a glass of milk, then he needs something else to go with the milk, and it never ends.
If you give land that belongs to Israel and the Jews that God promised them for all time, to an imaginary group of people which was created to make a victim - then you are validating that this victim group is real - and their plight, oppression is real. If you acknowledge that their oppression is real and a threat, then there has to be a bully - a big evil oppressor - a tyrant. Who would that be. ??
If the world's greatest superpower acknowledges a victim and then the world names the oppressor/tyrant, then the oppressor needs to be punished in the eyes of the whole world.
Scenario two, three, four, five, six, So, Sog, others - what if the so-called Deal of the century has nothing about the temple, and nothing about giving land to the Jordanian Arabs ?? - Are there any prophetic implications??
We know that there will not be peace between the muslims and the Jews - scripture already says that.
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Post by disciple4life on Jan 26, 2020 19:30:23 GMT -6
Very very interesting Prophecy update by JD Farag, re the Trump Peace plan and he gives details about the preliminary reports of what the plan includes, contains. It would help Netanyahu, and help Trump, and help Israel. Doesn't divide Jerusalem, and doesn't give any land at all to the Faux-lestinians, [Jordanian arabs] who are living in the West Bank. calvarychapelkaneohe.com/prophecy-updates/
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Post by sog on Jan 27, 2020 16:21:43 GMT -6
Headline: Trump plan would see Palestinian state on up to 70% of West Bank, reports say www.timesofisrael.com/trump-plan-would-see-palestinian-state-on-up-to-70-of-west-bank-reports-say/From link - Latest unsourced Israeli media reports say plan includes freeze on settlement growth and tunnel connecting Gaza and the West Bank, some 30% of which would be annexed by Israel The Trump administration’s peace plan would curb Israeli settlement growth, initially hand Israelis and Palestinians about one-third of the West Bank each, recognize a Palestinian state in the Palestinian-held areas, and set in place a four-year “preparation period” during which Palestinians would — so Washington hopes — come around to the plan and possibly negotiate control of the remainder of the territory. Again this is unsourced, so who knows, but hmmm... Four-year "preparation period" ? That would put us at 2024. That year just keeps popping up lately for many convergences.
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Post by disciple4life on Jan 27, 2020 16:33:18 GMT -6
Headline: Trump plan would see Palestinian state on up to 70% of West Bank, reports say www.timesofisrael.com/trump-plan-would-see-palestinian-state-on-up-to-70-of-west-bank-reports-say/From link - Latest unsourced Israeli media reports say plan includes freeze on settlement growth and tunnel connecting Gaza and the West Bank, some 30% of which would be annexed by Israel The Trump administration’s peace plan would curb Israeli settlement growth, initially hand Israelis and Palestinians about one-third of the West Bank each, recognize a Palestinian state in the Palestinian-held areas, and set in place a four-year “preparation period” during which Palestinians would — so Washington hopes — come around to the plan and possibly negotiate control of the remainder of the territory. Again this is unsourced, so who knows, but hmmm... Four-year "preparation period" ? That would put us at 2024. That year just keeps popping up lately for many convergences. Hello my brother.
I love your insight my friend, and really enjoy your posts. This happens to be totally opposite from the preliminary reports by J D Farag. I guess we will all know eventually.
I also know brother, that until the plan is revealed, all everyone really has are lots of different "unsourced" reports. ;-)
My point is not to criticize or attack -- but simply to make the point that giving the West Bank or Gaza Strip, or any of Israel's land to the Jordanian Arabs would be suicide for Trump's election, and suicide for Netanyahu or Gantz as well, without the caveat of the Jews being able to build a 3rd temple.
Without the huge evangelical vote, Trump would be sunk before the elections. The Christians are Israel's best friends.. Besides, all Trump's grandchildren are Jewish. I just can't believe that his plan divides Jerusalem, or Israel.
We may all be surprised.
*** Also, there are reports that the Faux-lestinians - Jordanian Arabs have already rejected it - due the leaks that it doesn't give them any land. Why would they reject it, if it gives them land - and reinforces their propaganda narrative of Israel as the Oppressor. ??
Blessings, and a huge batch of biscuits and gravy.
Disciple4life.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 17:48:03 GMT -6
Since Trump doesn't fit the qualifications for the AC, what are the possible ways this could play out?
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Post by sog on Jan 27, 2020 18:51:33 GMT -6
disciple4life, Hey brother! The things I post are usually things that strike me as curious, or interesting, or weird, or wow! But, of course it's just my opinion. I'm glad if it does nothing more than keep everyone faithful and ever watchful. Again for me, it's not so much as what is revealed in this peace plan. It could be any number of things, including land or not, Temple or not, economic help or not, etc. Whatever it is, It's what God has allowed. However, that doesn't mean God has given his approval, Most likely just the opposite. But that God is doing what must be done to move these end of days along. So if the Temple being built is in there or not doesn't matter. It will be built just the same no matter the outcome and at the same time that has been ordained by God. If land is given or not doesn't matter, because it will be taken back again by Israel probably during an Ezekiel war. God is in control, not Trump, not Netanyahu, nor any of the other world leaders approving or disapproving of this plan. God will do with them what he will. This doesn't necessarily mean I'm totally uninterested, because I am, but only to get clues as to a more concrete time frame. This plan revealing isn't the end-all-be-all, but I do think it is a very big step in prophecy. For me, the "confirmation" is the bigger event. What would cause a confirmation? Like you've said, many in the media, etc have said, this looks to be a probable fail before it began. So what gets it's approval by many? The Anti-Christ is on the stage. How does he get this world-wide confirmation agreement? Because he said so? I think not. Because the Christians have been raptured? Possible, but I think this would give the Muslim Arabs more leverage not to agree to it. Or because a war has decimated them and they have no other choice? At this point, that is what I'm thinking. As for the evangelical vote - unless there is a HUGE Anti-Israel concession in this plan, and I don't think there will be, the Evangelicals will still vote for Trump, because they know what the other option will bring. Could they just not show up? Again possible, by apathy or especially if Daniel Matson's theory on a "Days of Noah", "Get on the Ark" rapture on 10/28/2020, 7 days before the election happens. But I think the Ezekiel war will come before rapture. Before the election? It does seem to be heating up exponentially. Earthquakes, fires, weird weather, viruses, world-wide protests, subtle and not so subtle apostasy, military threats and strikes. The list goes on and on. I think we are on the precipice of something huge. In don't worry about the so-called Palestinians. If they are given land against God's will, it will be short lived. Pass the biscuits and gravy!
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