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Post by kjs on Oct 22, 2018 10:11:04 GMT -6
nana posted this on the shoutbox and I wished to highlight it and capture it in a thread HERE LINK Video
It is a very moving video that basically shows a pastor -- playing an HOMELESS person in front of Churches / Schools being ignored -- and the pastor calls the congregation out for it......
(there are multiple news stories out there ...)
These people are being forced away from their homeland --- because of TERROR .... fearing for their life and the life of their family.....
Rather than attempt to "DO SOMETHING" like set up some "protection groups /troops" to reestablish order in these lessor know countries ......
the solution is to BAN them from the border.....
WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY are we living in?
Hey I get it -- I really do -- we can not simply open the border for these thousands -- or other thousands of "extra people"
BUT and the point I REALLY wish to DRIVE HOME.........
is we as a country need to DO SOMETHING ..... as in helping these people some HOW -- not simply BAN them from crossing the border.....
HELP THEM..........
I am extremely upset with President Trump right NOW!!!!!
Hey he is fighting for rights in Israel (and I am all for that)
BUT WHAT ABOUT Fighting for the rights of these people.... with stories being told of the murder, and killings taking place in their home country ......... how about helping them to continue to have a country to live in?
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Post by nana on Oct 22, 2018 12:47:55 GMT -6
Many things have come to light about the caravan that some may not know/be aware of. The people in the caravan are being paid and there are videos of them that show cash being handed to them. There are also videos of some wearing printed tee shirts from left groups. Videos of some carrying their own country's flag and burning the American flag. If they are so afraid of their county why are they still carrying their country's flag while burning ours. Many are shown with smartphones that are not cheap, they are decently dressed, seem well fed too. At least 100 isis/terrorist members have been arrested in the group and that's just the ones that have been caught, how many more are there. MS13 members have been spotted among the people in the caravan. Many of the men are of military age. Seems to me they are using the women and children to try to gain access. Many got violent with the Mexican police when they tore down the fences. They have organized another caravan, a second one that is also coming a different route. From everything I have seen, read and watched this is a well orchestrated organized caravan that is being paid to come. So now you have to ask why and who are paying them, financing this, to what means, for what purpose, for what ends. And isn't it interesting the caravan is set to show up during election week. I believe there is much more than meets the eye for this. We have homeless vets, hungry children, sick people and homeless people right here in our own country too. We have the left physically attacking the right and destroying property while many dems are and keep inciting their base to attack the right. To name a few that are inciting: Pelosi, Holder, Booker, Waters, Clinton and others. Many republicans have been chased out of restaurants, had people show up at their homes to protest, Scalise was shot, Rand Paul was physically assaulted and his wife now sleeps with a gun, some have had security assigned to them because of the threats, mail with white powder have been mailed to some republicans and it just continues.
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Post by nana on Oct 22, 2018 13:23:14 GMT -6
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Post by kjs on Oct 22, 2018 17:45:39 GMT -6
I will need some "facts" -- rather than some tweets from -- some group......
I have seen several news reports (different sources) that interview Mothers and their children -- coming because their husband/father was killed....
Plus, the Christian response should be with empathy --- not trying "add fake news" of these people being paid.....
Really being PAID? I highly doubt anyone being PAID would allow their families to be abused (tear gas, heat stroke, to name a few)
Suppose, it was your family fleeing?
Above all else answer the question WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
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Post by nana on Oct 22, 2018 21:51:28 GMT -6
I will need some "facts" -- rather than some tweets from -- some group......
I have seen several news reports (different sources) that interview Mothers and their children -- coming because their husband/father was killed....
Plus, the Christian response should be with empathy --- not trying "add fake news" of these people being paid.....
Really being PAID? I highly doubt anyone being PAID would allow their families to be abused (tear gas, heat stroke, to name a few)
Suppose, it was your family fleeing?
Above all else answer the question WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
The paid caravan info was on Hannity, Limbaugh, Tucker and other shows, on the TV news and written about in many articles too. I believe a congressman called for an investigation of it too when he saw the video. And I have seen a couple women saying they are coming due to finances but we have single women with children here that are struggling and some have lost husbands too. We have families that will never see their loved ones again due to illegals that should have never been here. Fathers, mothers and children have been killed by illegal drunk drivers and murdered by them too.
There are families in Chicago afraid to go outside because of the violence there and some of the violence was by ms13 gangs, illegals. In fact entire towns lived in fear because of them.
I just don't see how anyone could walk from El Salvador or Honduras to America's southern border just in 3 weeks either especially of they have children with them.
What would Jesus do? Well, I do know there are gates in heaven and there is only one way to immigrate/get there.
I have no argument with you, just trying to provide the facts that have been reported on multiple news sites and reported by reporters, commentators, a congressman and on the tv news, nothing more and nothing less.
But where is the empathy for the homeless vets that sleep on the streets that have given everything they had and are now broken.
I saw people on trucks handing food out to the caravan people on Hannity tonight and asked myself, who is paying for that, where did it come from and who sent it there.
America has sent billions to those countries to help them but it doesn't seem to be enough or maybe it is not getting to the people. When is enough enough? I don't know, however I do know you can give a man a fish and he will eat for the day or you can teach a man to fish and he will eat for the rest of his life.
I think America has been very generous for years to real immigrants but these are not immigrants, this is an invasion by their vary actions.
If this is not stopped the next caravans will be even bigger and more often until hundreds of millions are here. When does it end, where does it stop, who is going to pay for their food, housing, schooling, health care, utilities and everything else. The illegals cost over 118 BILLION each and every year as it is now. Where is the extra going to come from, should we borrow it from China? Do Americans need to have 2 jobs to pay for it and retired people go back to work to pay for it.
I posted the twitter feed so people would see what was going on in real time and how people felt about this.
Yes, we live in a fallen world but I believe a country is responsible to their own people first.
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Post by kjs on Nov 4, 2018 7:26:54 GMT -6
Nana: I believe your last response just proved my point .... Which was and has always been .... Fixing the problem that is causing them to leave..... Instead of 15k troops at the boarder preventing entry, how about them being sent to the country they are fleeing to clean up the villains causing the issue? Came across this picture, which I think is the most powerful statement about this whole situation....
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Post by nana on Nov 4, 2018 8:56:08 GMT -6
Nana: I believe your last response just proved my point .... Which was and has always been .... Fixing the problem that is causing them to leave..... Instead of 15k troops at the boarder preventing entry, how about them being sent to the country they are fleeing to clean up the villains causing the issue? Came across this picture, which I think is the most powerful statement about this whole situation.... Why should our soldiers be responsible to go into another country to fix their problems when we have so many problems here and are in the process of at least trying to clean up our own villains that have entrenched themselves at every level of government, businesses, churches and such for decades.
Over 90% of the people in the caravan are men, men in their 20's to 30's, few are women and children. Why are these men not fixing their own country for their women and children. Why are those men putting the few women and children in the front and using them as human shields.
Many have no idea at the breath, width and depth of what has been going on in our own country, unspeakable evil, Satanism, sedition, subversion and planed destruction by the globalist of our own country to take us into the new world order with a one world religion and utter complete control of all mankind. Many in our country are going to be shocked, shaken and floored when and if the truth of what has been going on comes out.
I am not here to debate nor to argue nor to demean anyone. But why is it fine for Israel to have a wall, why is it ok for the Vatican to have a wall. Why is it ok for every other country to protect their borders but us. Why is it ok to send our military around the world to protect other countries borders while ours is wide open for anyone to sneak in. I don't get it.
And yes, Joseph and Mary fled with Jesus to Egypt for a couple/few years and then returned to their own country when it was safe and they paid their own way because a decree had been given to kill all male children 2 and under. This was totally different than what the caravans are doing and the reasons they are claiming.
There are true legitimate reasons for someone to leave or want to leave their own country out of fear, like Christians in muslim countries being beheaded for being Christians or people being murdered by their own government because the color of their skin. However these people in the caravans are not facing any fears like these.
Is there an answer to all of this, yes, only the return of Jesus is going to fix this.
Maybe I think differently than some here, maybe I do not belong here because of it.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Nov 4, 2018 9:25:46 GMT -6
If I could add this: What I am hearing from the news is anyone can come in at the ports of entry, where one is supposed to do so to be lawful about coming here. A migrant can seek asylum at these ports of entry. If one crosses ILLEGALLY, then they are no longer able to make that claim.
I have talked to people who come to this country legally and there is a process and it is not cheap. This gal told me how upset she is that our borders are so porous and people sneak in, and skirt the process, basically are living a lie as they stay under the radar..this coming from the mouth an immigrant.
Mexico offered asylum for these folks walking and many have refused. I am getting that from media for what its worth... If one was really fearing their lives from the central countries, Mexico is right there and willing to take them! If anything, aid to Mexico would be a nice gesture to be a humanitarian effort. To me it is a political set up, this whole caravan thing. Hopefully these folks will use the ports of entry so as to have their claims evaluated. Where is the UN on the matter when it comes to these countries of which people are so desperate to leave..
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Post by boraddict on Nov 4, 2018 10:26:31 GMT -6
It is a sad story. I hope we as a nation provide transportation and return these people to their countries of origin in a respectful and dignified manner.
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Post by sawdy on Nov 4, 2018 10:34:00 GMT -6
Maybe I think differently than some here, maybe I do not belong here because of it. nanaI wanted to like your post but I couldn't because I didn't want you to think I was liking this statement that you tagged on at the end. I for one, don't want to see you leave these boards. We are having the border issues in Canada as well. People who legally came and followed the proper protocol now are seeing our government welcome illegal border crossings with open arms.
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Post by fitz on Nov 4, 2018 11:06:13 GMT -6
Nana: I believe your last response just proved my point .... Which was and has always been .... Fixing the problem that is causing them to leave..... Instead of 15k troops at the boarder preventing entry, how about them being sent to the country they are fleeing to clean up the villains causing the issue? Came across this picture, which I think is the most powerful statement about this whole situation.... Why should our soldiers be responsible to go into another country to fix their problems when we have so many problems here and are in the process of at least trying to clean up our own villains that have entrenched themselves at every level of government, businesses, churches and such for decades.
Over 90% of the people in the caravan are men, men in their 20's to 30's, few are women and children. Why are these men not fixing their own country for their women and children. Why are those men putting the few women and children in the front and using them as human shields.
I have to agree. 243 years ago the men and women of this country fought & died to win our independence and religious freedom. And ever since then our military men have sacrificed their lives to keep it. I'd be all for sending troops to help out if the men from these countries would stand up and fight for their liberty, but they won't. “Those who expect to reap the blessings of liberty must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.”
~Thomas Paine
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Post by kjs on Nov 5, 2018 9:26:49 GMT -6
nana
Not really sure where you are getting your numbers.... There are around 3500 in the "caravan group" -- you report numbers saying 90% are men in their 20 and 30 -- if that were true -- then that would mean 3100 would be male between 20 and 30..... However, ALL the news reports I have seen -- show women and children -- as being the majority in the group.... With most of those being widows and orphans -- because their male protectors were killed in the guerrilla fighting...
Here is what was reported by Kevin McAleenan, U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner, (sounds like he is in the position to know) " ....group was mostly family members and unaccompanied children."
Further reported ...Most of the people are walking, some hitching rides and still over 800 miles from the nearest US Border -- or several weeks away.....
People are breaking away from the main group -- and are either resting or planning on setting up residences in Mexico ......
========= Please note: I am NOT saying we throw open the border and welcome them with open arms.... BUT I do think we should investigate their stories of being "run out" of their country and IF true --- maybe do something about it.
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