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Post by venge on Sept 4, 2018 13:05:50 GMT -6
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Post by venge on Sept 4, 2018 13:10:02 GMT -6
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Post by yardstick on Sept 4, 2018 19:20:57 GMT -6
Okay So this video implies that the 70th week has been fulfilled in the past and thus may be preteristic in view, though to be fair I haven't researched it enough to know this for certain. One major flaw is that the interpretation is based on what I believe is a faulty foundation: "Much bible prophecy is about the warning of the false doctrine of Islam" I disagree with this view. Also Umar did not fulfill Daniel 11 :37- a piont the author did not address, where it says that the reason he shows no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women or any other god is because he will magnify himself above them all. In other words he will see himself as God. Umar saw Allah as God he didn't magnify himself to be greater than allah. Just my opinion but I would steer clear of this man's teachings. RT, True but it also says he worshipped god his father’s knew not. He worshipped this god with gold and silver etc. he worshipped a god of fortresses to which interpreted is a god who conquers. Allah is a god that conquers through jihad. You can puff yourself up over our true God with pride as if you sit in the temple of God proclaiming yourself in your heart that you are a god yet still worship Allah.
Nebuchadnezzar worshipped Marduk and still his pride as God caused his downfall. venge, Have you seen the sufi islam stuff related to Erdogan? unsealed.boards.net/thread/1124/growing-threats-israel?page=1&scrollTo=15076
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Post by mike on Sept 5, 2018 7:30:17 GMT -6
venge - curious as to what text this comes from? " Nebuchadnezzar worshipped Marduk and still his pride as God caused his downfall." As we get further away from the Great Sign my attention is turning towards things like this video (from the OP) and history/historical context. For me trying to squeeze all of Revelation into 7 years seems possible, but I also am exploring the other views that present historical answers to prophecies (potentially fulfilled). Similar to how Daniel read the words of the prophet Jeremiah and applied them to his time. Or like Daniel 9:24-26 where we can identify the exact date of the arrival of the Messiah. I know thats a debatable topic but which ones arent?
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Sept 5, 2018 15:04:30 GMT -6
AMEN brother mike when you said this: If we are not to add to the book of rev, then why do we add Daniel? Hang in there with me people...I see a whole bunch of you getting up out of your chairs right now... 7 years on earth may not be the same 7 year timeframe but still indicates a completeness of God's work.. in that Ch4/5 thread rt reminds us that believers have been made a Kingdom unto God...yet we are still in the Pentacostal period, no? so the process of entering that Kingdom with our transfigured bodies is to me the beginnings of the Tabernacling that we will participate in, hence the Sign of Sept reminding us that Jesus fulfilled the law to become the New Covenant. It happend and could only happen in the Fall feast era...which is the Tabernacle Feast timeframe..it indicated something for sure, but maybe not the way we have been calculating time. Rev 12 is a key marker to go along with what I find fascinating about the dragon research on the Home page.. Can things happen like the timeframe of Daniel? Yes because there is nothing new under the sun, and a half complete judgement is 3 1/2 which is half of 7...so when a second 3 1/2 section of time is complete, than God says it is complete..That is why I really wonder why Jesus said...It is Finished right before He died while hanging sacrificed on the Cross in regards to fulfilling Dan 9... food for thought. for this thread content, sure makes sense that the feet of Daniel's statue made of Iron and Clay equates to Christianity vs Islam. It was suggested to me that Ishmael could be the descendants behind Muhammed's being. I dont study this so can not say yea or nay.. But it makes sense for the sake of two kingdoms of the feet being the last two entities before Christ comes back and crushes both. The iron part being the religious christian kingdom of man, clay being islam.. But could it also be the history of Esau and Jacob? Esau was a man of the field, earth, dirt...uh, clay?
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Post by mike on Sept 5, 2018 17:44:01 GMT -6
This short video added so much more understanding to this subject matter. Maybe Islam has a lot more to it than we consider. It's all about worship
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Post by venge on Sept 6, 2018 14:00:48 GMT -6
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Post by venge on Sept 6, 2018 14:09:56 GMT -6
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Post by yardstick on Sept 6, 2018 22:37:56 GMT -6
Yardstick, No, I am reading it now. I am holding back on posting though. I am surprised it even exist as I thought most here still think it’s Rome 😀 But, it’s good some are opening their minds up. I had made a chart on excel at home regarding religions today and what fit an anti christ religion or a religion of fortresses. I’ll just say all roads don’t lead to Rome but to the middle eastern hemisphere I am not sure if you have heard or not, but are you aware that Chuck Missler has suggested that the two legs of the Daniel 2 statue are two parallel Roman Empires (West and East) and though the western empire fell to the visigoths in 410, the eastern empire which encompassed most of the middle east, didnt fall until constantinople fell to the Turks in 1453.
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Post by venge on Sept 7, 2018 7:01:36 GMT -6
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Post by yardstick on Sept 7, 2018 21:38:46 GMT -6
I am not sure if you have heard or not, but are you aware that Chuck Missler has suggested that the two legs of the Daniel 2 statue are two parallel Roman Empires (West and East) and though the western empire fell to the visigoths in 410, the eastern empire which encompassed most of the middle east, didnt fall until constantinople fell to the Turks in 1453. I have heard that theory. My opinion on it is that it is faulty logic. The legs are not described as seperate. Nor are the arms, hands, fingers etc The legs are iron showing strength. That’s it. The feet show strength and weakness. I had previously used an example of America. Our military is the legs of iron being very strong yet our congress is strong and weak as it battles itself and finds it difficult to agree on anything. No where is it suggested the legs are seperate nor is it suggested it is Rome. All the books I have read work like this: The head is Babylon because such and such, the chest and arms because of such and such and Greece the same all showing scripture. Then these books say “and the 4th is Rome.” Offering no scripture but instead history of either Rome or the Catholic Church. That is not evidence!. The Bible says all answers are within it. Who destroyed the temple? Thousands of Italians? Nope. Syrians, Egyptians, other middle eastern people with some Italians overseeing. Who is at war with the promise from the start? Rome? Or Edom? Ishmael? The countries surrounding Israel in the Middle East or the countries in Asia, Europe and Americas? How many nations will be avenged in prophecy? Now, how many are middle eastern? What does the txt say in referring to Alexander’s empire. Splits into 4 right? Notice afterwards the key! I’ll leave it to you to find it. You are referring to Daniel 8, correct? Map of the division of Alexander the Great's empire
Wikipedia: Alexander the GreatThe "south and east" (Dan 8:9) would seem to be the Seleucid Empire. Antiochus Epiphanes did what is described in Dan 8:9-14; except that verse 19 indicates that the stuff that occurred in the prophecy are what occurs in the Tribulation. So many see some parallelism there, in the sense that 'history repeats itself'. The two horned ram would then seem to make sense as modern day Iran and Syria (Media and Persia); however, the shaggy goat as the King of Greece does not make much sense in current geopolitical climate, unless we assume it is Erdogan; or unless we want to assume it is the EU (by way of the recent Greece bailout by the EU). The fierce looking king who comes to power (as the little horn coming up out of one of the four) is most likely the AC. In v23 "In the latter part of their reign..." (the four kingdoms shown on the map) clearly indicates Greece, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, and Iran. I suspect it also includes many of the Balkan nations en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans#/media/File:Karte_Suedosteuropa_03_01.pngen.wikipedia.org/wiki/BalkansSerbia Albania Macedonia Croatia Slovenia Bosnia and Herzegovina Bulgaria Kosovo Montenegro Romania Although we aren't seeing anything from these nations in terms of military activity (or it isnt being covered on the news); what we ARE seeing (within the last 10 years or so), is a LARGE influx of muslim peoples from the middle east into this area as 'refugees'.
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Post by venge on Sept 8, 2018 6:43:15 GMT -6
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Post by yardstick on Sept 13, 2018 23:46:47 GMT -6
"Where is the Roman Empire?" 117 A.D (Trajan) - max extent of Roman empire did not get east of Iraq Notice the 'Eastern' and 'Western' Roman Empires - split 'legs' (of the same empire!) where the western fell in 410 and the eastern fell in 1453. The eastern Roman empire overlaps some of Alexander's empire. Which part? Eastern Roman empire in 555 A.D. - Justinian - Notice the Eastern Roman Empire encompasses the WEST, 145 years after it fell! Breakup of Alexander's Empire, 301 B.C.13th Century 'Eastern' Roman Empire In Dan 8:9-12, the little horn comes up out of one of the 4 Alexander-General empire areas; v20-21 seem to be referring to Alexander and the Kings that he conquered (Medo-Persian Empire, per v20). v23: "In the latter part of their [the 4 kings/kingdoms that came from Alexander's kingdom] reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise." [Which world leader looks fierce and is a master of intrigue that has come to power recently?] v24: He will become very strong, but not by his own power. [Have we seen any world leader who becomes strong, but not by his own power? Is this 'democratic elections' by chance?] He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. [Have we seen any world leader who causes astounding devastation?] [Have we seen any world leader who succeeds at whatever he does?] He will destroy those who are mighty, the holy people. [seems self-explanatory, except to point out that Israel is quite mighty in the area] v25: He will cause deceit to prosper, [This appears to have been going on now for some time, but possibly not to the extent it could be.]
and he will consider himself superior. [Superior to whom? Israel? Everyone else?]
When they feel secure, [presumably Israel - who,I am certain does not feel secure yet] he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. (Sounds like the AC.)
v26 Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power. [Tossed into the lake of fire, eventually]
venge , I think I am not disagreeing with your hypothesis, with the exception that the Roman empire overlaps most of Alexander's, west of Iraq. So in that sense, the statement 'The AC must come from the Roman empire', would be true if it was qualified with the Roman Empire being defined as the Eastern Roman Empire, per the maps above (555 A.D., 117 A.D.). This dovetails quite well with your perspective about the AC coming from the middle east, IMHO.
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Post by venge on Sept 14, 2018 7:24:13 GMT -6
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