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Post by whatif on Oct 10, 2017 21:29:31 GMT -6
You make several good points (and a humorous story) .....
Right now, its as if we're all packed in a VW van in the Rockies -- kjs is driving and whatif is the navigator and we've just had record-breaking rains, and we just saw a sign "Falling Rocks Ahead". We are all extremely alert, and are literally looking and expecting that at any moment, just around the next curve, - to see what the sign points to. I think it could be this weekend. ;-) Yeah, call me crazy.
How wonderful that would be if it were this weekend, disciple4life! I'm hoping you're right! And I'm glad you let kjs do the driving, as I get vertigo when I drive and have had to give it up. My husband tells me I'm a pretty fine navigator, though--or maybe a backseat driver might be more apt...
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Post by watchmanjim on Oct 11, 2017 0:08:13 GMT -6
Hahaha, Whatif! I appreciate the dreams that have been shared here, and the attitude of caution that is shared among us to try these things out carefully. One of the best way to test dreams is with a combination of prayer and comparison to scripture. The example of Abraham and Isaac is an intriguing one. I always wanted to know--How did Abraham know for sure that it was God's voice he heard, telling him to sacrifice Isaac? Doesn't that sound like the kind of thing the enemy would do--mimic the voice of God and tell someone to do a horrible crime? I think part of the answer is that Abraham dealt with God enough to know God's voice when he heard it. And thus he trusted and obeyed. Can we know God's voice that well today? I believe we can, but it requires a lot of practice. Jesus taught us to pray "lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil." When we know God really well, and are rightly related to Him, and can "find Him" when we pray (our spirit bearing witness to the Holy Spirit), then we are on the right track. We need to learn to discern the voice of the Lord in our spirit. And it is not always easy. Any time we doubt whether it is Him, then we need to address Him in prayer and ask Him once again to lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. And to guide us into all light. It is something that easier said than done, and "better caught than taught." But so worthwhile. I am not yet to the point where I am very skillful at discerning the voice of the Spirit. Sometimes it's fairly obvious. Other times, not so much. Growing up in an independent Baptist Church where conscious interaction with the Holy Spirit was minimized for fear of acting like charismatics, (an over simplification, perhaps), I have had to catch up a lot for lost time. I'm still just beginning to explore the vast continent of God's interaction with me. I wish I had done it sooner. Meanwhile, I'm going to bed for now. I haven't had too many dreams lately. Maybe in the morning when I wake up I'll have something to share. Unless we all see each other first.
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 11, 2017 2:00:57 GMT -6
Hahaha, Whatif! I appreciate the dreams that have been shared here, and the attitude of caution that is shared among us to try these things out carefully. One of the best way to test dreams is with a combination of prayer and comparison to scripture. The example of Abraham and Isaac is an intriguing one. I always wanted to know--How did Abraham know for sure that it was God's voice he heard, telling him to sacrifice Isaac? Doesn't that sound like the kind of thing the enemy would do--mimic the voice of God and tell someone to do a horrible crime? I think part of the answer is that Abraham dealt with God enough to know God's voice when he heard it. And thus he trusted and obeyed. Can we know God's voice that well today? I believe we can, but it requires a lot of practice. Jesus taught us to pray "lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil." When we know God really well, and are rightly related to Him, and can "find Him" when we pray (our spirit bearing witness to the Holy Spirit), then we are on the right track. We need to learn to discern the voice of the Lord in our spirit. And it is not always easy. Any time we doubt whether it is Him, then we need to address Him in prayer and ask Him once again to lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. And to guide us into all light. It is something that easier said than done, and "better caught than taught." But so worthwhile. I am not yet to the point where I am very skillful at discerning the voice of the Spirit. Sometimes it's fairly obvious. Other times, not so much. Growing up in an independent Baptist Church where conscious interaction with the Holy Spirit was minimized for fear of acting like charismatics, (an over simplification, perhaps), I have had to catch up a lot for lost time. I'm still just beginning to explore the vast continent of God's interaction with me. I wish I had done it sooner. Meanwhile, I'm going to bed for now. I haven't had too many dreams lately. Maybe in the morning when I wake up I'll have something to share. Unless we all see each other first. Awesome post and insight, WMJ. You articulated so clearly some of what I was trying to say. I did not mean to imply to @silentknight, or kjs, or cwood85, or whatif or anyone that their dream is from Satan, or bad pizza. Rather, three scenarios as it relates to dreams. I know and believe God still speaks - but the thing is - whenever anyone says "God told me _______________ in a dream" it is very dangerous for three reasons. - 1. They could have had a very real and intense dream, but what it means is where watchmanjim 's insight comes in.
- 2. We always need to keep open the possibility that though this dream of ours was powerful, maybe it was just a dream- no prophetic meaning. - thus the 'bad pizza'. The danger is when people - sometimes even with prophetic giftings - try to attach some spiritual meaning to every dream. Sometimes it was just a pink poodle who talks, or bizarre image and it's not a warning or special revelation regarding the rapture.
- 3. When ever anyone says "God told me . . . or I had a dream, and God told me, such-and-such. . ." then if it doesn't match up with scripture, or there's other pieces of knowledge that person may not have, it makes a scenario when those who question it, are contradicting God - this is borderline spiritual abuse. If God tells someone something, it is perfect and accurate.
In my own life, in the middle of the night, both my parents were wakened instantly, without any outside sound or noise. ** They didn't know why they were both all of a sudden wakened at the same time. They felt it was from God, but didn't have clarity or details. They felt very intensely that they should pray for me, for my safety on the other side of the world, in Russia. So they did. Days later I relayed the story about how a huge, high pressurized water main ran through the dorm over the sinks, and as I was brushing my teeth before class, I went back into my room for some reason, and in these few seconds, this water line exploded, gushing gallons of scalding water down into the dorm where I was standing moments before, flooding the rooms before it was turned off. We checked the time difference, and this was when they were woken up. I believe in prayer and that God speaks. Maranatha.
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Post by grandpaskitzo on Oct 11, 2017 5:09:33 GMT -6
That's awesome Disciple4life! My parents had a similar moment like that when I was in college. I was stupid and arrogant to ignore the ways of The Lord. I have crohns and I liked to party hard. Long story short, I did lots of drugs and drinking and that's not good at all for Crohn's disease. It flared up my crohns and got me to the point where even surgery wouldn't have worked. My whole intestine was filled with ulcers, sores, scar tissue etc. it was too dispersed to do anything except medication, which I was not taking to either. Anyway, my parents had an ill feeling one night and my mom just said that they NEEDED to come get me. She didn't know why, but they knew something wasn't right. Well, they came and got and it was just in time. I was practically the walking dead when they found me. Many miracles later and I'm still alive today, and I KNOW I shouldn't be if it wasn't for the grace of God. I love hearing when people get that unction of The Holy Spirit and obey. Great things happen. My brother who is an apostate even recognizes that something has happened in my life and sees the miracles that abounded. Yet sadly he doesn't believe in God anymore.
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Post by mike on Oct 11, 2017 5:56:19 GMT -6
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Post by yardstick on Oct 11, 2017 8:08:34 GMT -6
Voilá *
(though I could be mistaken - i have trouble with the diacritical marks)
heh
BTW, I am assuming bad pizza has penicillin on it...
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 11, 2017 9:23:28 GMT -6
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Post by yardstick on Oct 11, 2017 10:19:26 GMT -6
^^^ LOL
I have been seriously contemplating referring to this thread as the MLK thread... just saying...
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Post by mike on Oct 11, 2017 10:46:03 GMT -6
cwood85 This is an interesting dream for sure. Thank you for having the courage to share it with us. As I have spent the last few months here I know there are certain folks I can trust with things like this, yet there will always be naysayer. In case they come, be prepared If you are praying about it, continue to be prayerful about it asking God to reveal what it means. Perhaps your posting it here, someone will be able to interpret or add another piece to it to complete the picture. We don't know. disciple4life - I too have had many a people tell me "God told me this or that" only to find out it was "pepperoni pizza". I mean where I'm from the only bad pizza is from the national chains and who wants that . Seriously, I am always very cautious when I personally feel "God showed me something" and even more so when someone says I had a dream. Here's an example of a "God told me" that went horribly wrong - Sometime in 2000 a good friend believed he was going to marry the pastors daughter. He felt he had all the signs and scriptures to back this up. He was hired to work at the church, and thought he would work for her for 7 yrs as this was his Rachel! Long story short, the problem was God never told (Rachel) she would marry this guy! Unfortunately this story has no happy ending as he eventually ended up with assault charges (punching an elder), a restraining order against him, eventually in prison and kicked out of (the state of) NJ! Sometimes people can follow what they believe God told them so far and so hard that they cant see the forest through the trees. Now I say this not to discourage anyone reading, as I do believe in God speaking and giving us dreams 100%. But we must be cautious about what we think we know to be God. Summing up what watchmanjim and @silentknight have said we have to be able to know the Lords voice. Patience, faith and waiting on God to confirm His vision/dream is necessary. No surprise that the Lord instructs us many times to seek wise counsel, which (IMO) you've done Proverbs 11:14 " Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellers there is safety" Proverbs 24:6 " For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellers there is safety." Proverbs 15:22 " Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellers they are established."
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Post by mike on Oct 11, 2017 10:47:06 GMT -6
LOLOLOLOLOL
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 11:32:39 GMT -6
I will 100% steal this word. Lol. I will make sure and cite my source though and give you proper credit
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 11, 2017 12:34:16 GMT -6
I will 100% steal this word. Lol. I will make sure and cite my source though and give you proper credit Please do, and if they ask for credentials just tell them I'm a white person who speaks Spanish. I KNOW "gringoification." I'm probably over-qualified.
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Post by whatif on Oct 11, 2017 17:54:51 GMT -6
Voilá * (though I could be mistaken - i have trouble with the diacritical marks) heh Voilà!
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Post by yardstick on Oct 12, 2017 1:03:53 GMT -6
I bow to your superior expertise whatif
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Post by watchmanjim on Oct 12, 2017 9:19:02 GMT -6
^^^ LOL I have been seriously contemplating referring to this thread as the MLK thread... just saying... ?? I must have missed something.
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